New combos and “delay”

[DJ Bebop]

This must be another spinoff of the draw the line at drugs thread.

I am hearing a delay...

 

[DJ Bebop]

You should do this.

Whatever you are talking about, "delay" is the wrong word. But clearly you are hearing something you don't like whether it is real or imagined. (Mind you that's not a dig at you, there are professional musicians who think they hear audio differences in $200 power cables) My point is that it doesn't matter what it is you are hearing. You are spending a lot of money on an amp that you will likely have for a long time. Trust your ears and buy something you like and will have faith in.

Also I have major gas for a PF-50T myself.

Yep,

 

[agedhorse]

Can’t say I’ve ever noticed such a thing, but I run Fender Rumbles, which apparently displays this phenomenon the least. We probably need a professional opinion. Paging @agedhorse!

There is no delay of any kind with any amp (without DSP) regardless of class.

Any amp with digital amp modeling in their front-end (some Fenders come to mind) will have to have some latency... 5 milliseconds, maybe?

DSP adds maybe 1-2 mSec, not going to be audible as moving 1 or 2 feet closer or farther away from the amp will have the same effect.

I'm sure the effect is something unrelated to either amp class or delay.

 

[JakobT]

There is no delay of any kind with any amp (without DSP) regardless of class.

Didn’t think so.

 

[Nev375]

Yep,

Not gonna lie. That's a very nice looking cable. I'm sure that cloth jacket feels very nice to the touch compared to rubber. My fingers aren't worth it though and my eyes don't wanna look at cables all day.

 

[DJ Bebop]

Not gonna lie. That's a very nice looking cable. I'm sure that cloth jacket feels very nice to the touch compared to rubber. My fingers aren't worth it though and my eyes don't wanna look at cables all day.

I suppose you can do this for less than $200
https://lifehacker.com/increase-cable-durability-with-diy-nylon-wrapping-1728523567
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[Nev375]

I suppose you can do this for less than $200
https://lifehacker.com/increase-cable-durability-with-diy-nylon-wrapping-1728523567
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Wonder which cables smell and taste better. I never thought about that before.

 

[DJ Bebop]

Wonder which cables smell and taste better. I never thought about that before.

Many parts of a cable are edible
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[JimmyM]

Of the amps you mentioned, I believe only the Fender Rumble 200 is Class D.

The BA115 v2 is also class D, but the BA112 isn't.

EDIT: I'll be posting some pics of the guts of it shortly, but whereas I'm sure the old BA amps weren't class D, I got curious about my BA112 v2 and opened it up, and I can't tell. So I will need a ruling by better minds than mine. I had always believed it was class AB, but now I'm not sure.

However, I've heard no such delay in any of them, even the Rumbles I do notice a very tiny bit of "sag" in micro amps, though, which puts me in the mind of a tube amp being pushed slightly beyond their clean tone, although not as awesome. Maybe that's what Mo is hearing. Me, I dig that thing they do, but I can understand why someone might be put off by it.

 

[Stumbo]

You should do this.

Whatever you are talking about, "delay" is the wrong word. But clearly you are hearing something you don't like whether it is real or imagined....Trust your ears and buy something you like and will have faith in.

Gotta take out your ear plugs first.

 

[JimmyM]

@agedhorse , sorry about tagging you in this, but if anyone would know right away by looking at it, it's you. TIA for bearing with me.

I had always assumed that the BA112 v2 was class AB standard technology because the old one was, and I thought I had opened it up once before and saw a typical torroidial power transformer in it. But I hate talking out of school, and decided to open mine up again and double check. Instead of a donut, I see this little guy. It says "class B" on it, but it certainly isn't a torroid. I do, however, find small Hammond and Dar Plus E-I power transformers that look similar to it. So I have to think I'm right about it being class AB, no?

 

[HelpImaRock]

@agedhorse , sorry about tagging you in this, but if anyone would know right away by looking at it, it's you. TIA for bearing with me.

I had always assumed that the BA112 v2 was class AB standard technology because the old one was, and I thought I had opened it up once before and saw a typical torroidial power transformer in it. But I hate talking out of school, and decided to open mine up again and double check. Instead of a donut, I see this little guy. It says "class B" on it, but it certainly isn't a torroid. I do, however, find small Hammond and Dar Plus E-I power transformers that look similar to it. So I have to think I'm right about it being class AB, no?

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This makes me uncomfortable. Not because I care about Class D or whatever. Only because there's a giant space where amp components usually go, and it's completely bare.

 

[JimmyM]

This makes me uncomfortable. Not because I care about Class D or whatever. Only because there's a giant space where amp components usually go, and it's completely bare.

Well with a combo you have to make room for the cab, don't you?

 

[TakeABreak]

@agedhorse , sorry about tagging you in this, but if anyone would know right away by looking at it, it's you. TIA for bearing with me.

I had always assumed that the BA112 v2 was class AB standard technology because the old one was, and I thought I had opened it up once before and saw a typical torroidial power transformer in it. But I hate talking out of school, and decided to open mine up again and double check. Instead of a donut, I see this little guy. It says "class B" on it, but it certainly isn't a torroid. I do, however, find small Hammond and Dar Plus E-I power transformers that look similar to it. So I have to think I'm right about it being class AB, no?

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Don't know about the amp, but I'm pretty sure the class b reference on the transformer refers to the insulation rating.

 

[agedhorse]

Don't know about the amp, but I'm pretty sure the class b reference on the transformer refers to the insulation rating.

Correct, different components use terminology with different meanings.

That's a standard EI core line frequency transformer and it looks like a conventional class AB/B power amp.

 

[agedhorse]

@agedhorse , sorry about tagging you in this, but if anyone would know right away by looking at it, it's you. TIA for bearing with me.

I had always assumed that the BA112 v2 was class AB standard technology because the old one was, and I thought I had opened it up once before and saw a typical torroidial power transformer in it. But I hate talking out of school, and decided to open mine up again and double check. Instead of a donut, I see this little guy. It says "class B" on it, but it certainly isn't a torroid. I do, however, find small Hammond and Dar Plus E-I power transformers that look similar to it. So I have to think I'm right about it being class AB, no?

Yes, line frequency transformer and class AB power amp.

Amp series within many companies evolve as technology evolves so it is possible that there are class d versions, but I don't know this for sure.

 

[Mo Boogs]

Where did you try these amps? Where you right in front of the speaker? At which distance?

Sound travels at approximately 1 ft per millisecond, so if you were 1 ft away from the cab, you could perceive exactly what you describe. In a live setting you probably would never even hear the acoustic sound from the bass, so no need to worry about it.

Yup I think that was exactly it man. I was about a foot in front of each amp sitting on a stool.

 

[HelpImaRock]

Well with a combo you have to make room for the cab, don't you?

IMO, it's more about a clean front panel. Though if the amp is that small on the inside, just give me volume, tone, and mid scoop; and I'll do the rest with pedals.

 

[JimmyM]

IMO, it's more about a clean front panel. Though if the amp is that small on the inside, just give me volume, tone, and mid scoop; and I'll do the rest with pedals.

OK, but the front panel's still going to be that long. Might as well put something on it

Correct, different components use terminology with different meanings.

That's a standard EI core line frequency transformer and it looks like a conventional class AB/B power amp.

Thx for the confirm, Andy!