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New Sire U5 review and discussion thread

Moments ago I ordered the Sire U5 on the Sire USA website. Yes, they are finally on the site and available directly from Sire rather than the vendors who have been doing pre-order sales (Pitbull, Music Store Live, Chicago Music Exchange, etc).

Mickey Cho at Sire USA tells me that they are available and ready to ship, that a bass ordered on a Tuesday ships Wednesday from within the US, and one ordered on a Wednesday goes out Friday -so pretty darn short turnaround. Then, shipping to Great Lakes region is 4-5 days. No specific estimate on mine yet since I ordered 15 minutes ago, but I am guessing not more than 8-9 calendar days to my door, having ordered on a Friday late afternoon.

I haven't seen anyone NBD a U5 or give their experiences playing one so I am guessing these are just now starting to hit the streets. I've created this thread as a place for people to share their impressions and ask questions etc as they reach players' hands. So, share! I will definitely give my 2 cents when it arrives. I didn't need another bass. Really. But I've been anticipating this for a while, so I am looking forward to seeing if my intuition was correct or not re: the soundness of the investment. I am thinking so, but proof's in the pudding.
 
Arriving Friday:

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Sweet!

Make sure you do a review.

Definitely. I kinda thought someone would have done one already so I was looking forward to reading someone else's thoughts as well. I am not a short scale guy per se-- haven't played one since I was 16 (50+ now)-- but decided to add one to the family. Seems like at the least it would be a good travel bass (fit in overhead bin) and knockaround house bass. But given what Sire has been doing it won't surprise me if its more than that.
 
Received this last night. Little time on it so far but I am liking it, so far. Lowered the strings, pretty fast action w/o buzz. May bring them a little lower yet as I didn't want to go "all the way" right off the bat lol. Maple fingerboard gives it a nice zingy attack (in a good way) which helps to compensate for the fact that short scales have a kind of low-tension action which can be tubby. It's a really gorgeous instrument in person, I must say. A full critique forthcoming after I've had more time with it and can take photos etc.
 
TL;DNR: Sounds better than expected (genuinely good), V7-like, small/light, comfortable, fun, beautiful. Enjoying it a lot so far. Unless you're in to way too much detail on the U5, you should prolly stop here lol.


So a few additional thoughts, to accompany the photos. It's light. Haven't taken it to the bathroom scale But I am guessing 7 pounds. Satin neck and rolled edges typical of 2nd gen, nice. I can find no flaws in the finish and the 2 pc flame top looks really good IMO (grains in top could match just a little better but it doesn't bother me at all. Nit-picking there. The gloss finish is very shiny and looks great. Smaller size knobs, feel and look good. It's also very thin front-to-back. The small jazz body is indeed smaller by not by a lot so it does not feel small and has the dynamic and feel of a jazz body that you'd expect. The neck is very comfortable to get around.

The tone-- I may try to put up a clip later -- is IMO quite good; at least, I find it satisfies MY tonal goals, differing styles etc not withstanding. Maple board gives it some good snap and crispness unless you dial that out in the tone knob. I am judging this from zero gigs so far and using my "go-to" tiny rig home amp/cab for practicing and generally screwing around: Trace Elliot ELF and Barefaced One10 cabinet as I've played many basses through it and have a good comparative basis. Initially, I had pulled out an amp I don't use much at all (Aguilar TH350) with a cab I don't use (Aguilar SL12). I didn't find it pleasing - but that was the amp which I've never quite got the knack for tuning.

Bottom line there is simply that your gear determines a lot-- seems that this bass will permit you to get a good sound from a rig you like, and using my common reference set-up it was more or less plug and play. Bridge pickup seems to have more juice than some other PJ's (such as Fender Mustang 32" scale) so there's decent balance between the pickups, just like on a V7 etc. Passive only but was able to get decent level and tone with the simple VVT controls. Nice clean and crisp high end (D and G) but a whirl of the tone knob and you can take that ot if that's not your thing.

Short scale basses -and disclaimer, not a short scale guy generally- have lower string tension which can leave a little flub in the E string. Properly dialed I found the E string to sound pretty good; plenty of solid warmness (as lower tension and give) but still pretty well-defined and tight. Not as tight obviously as a34" scale E, but that is the nature of short vs long scale, rather than anything about THIS bass.

So I am enjoying the ease of play with the shorter scale while feeling I am not sacrificing much if anything in tonal quality. One can get good articulation out of the notes. Runs and soloing options increase, it's all right under your fingers without any reaching. Short scalers already know this obviously. I lowered the strings to taste and am so far impressed that the setup otherwise is decent-- getting no buzz as I lower it to a comfortable position. So, kudos Sire setup people ( I am sure the quality varies). I also injured my left index finger somewhat severely in January and still have a little ligament pain/stiffness on occasion (especially if not warmed up) so having a short scale to play at home and at (eventually) more gigs (the 4 or 5 I've had since C19, w/o this bass, outside only) is welcome.

The bass is smallish without seeming tiny, fits in the lap, great for couch or chair playing in that regard. I can totally see playing hours at a stretch at home, so light, thin, small. Neck looks wider but only by comparison-- standard width. I am looking forward to taking my micro rig modality (new word in everyone's mouth thanks to C19) farther with it-- 1.6 pound ELF, 15 pound One10, and 7 pound 30" scale bass that'll take a shorter case and would fit better for travel.

For context - I am, historically, fond of the Sires though I have more than 10 basses ranging from cheap to very expensive. From the Sire family I have a V7, V7 fiver - (maple board), and M7. Like them all but most attracted to the jazz bass. If you like the tone of the Sire V7's with a maple board, I think you'd like the tone of this bass quite well. Obviously, no fancy MM preamp, but this bass can produce a variety of tones and you can do more adjusting/fiddling at the amp to cover anything you can't dial on the VVT bass. It has tones similar to the V7's.

So, I am trying to find the negatives as everything has a negative side. In terms of the quality of the instrument it meets or exceeds my expectations. Drawbacks? It IS a short scale; the tonal quality and fell under the fingers of lower tension short strings vs higher tension long strings is a thing- a little fatter and maybe slightly less tight, but you can also bend notes easier.

In short, I guess, if you like short scale basses, I think you'd like this very much. If you like the Sire V7 tone especially of maple board versions, you'll like this. If you want a QUALITY home leave-it-out-at-all-times or travel bass, you will like this. I do look forward to gigging it at some point and seeing how it works there. I suppose if there's any negative to me, it's that I paid $399 for my first V7, but $499 for this smaller bass with less whizbang in it. Of course $399 V7's are a thing of the past so that's not a fair comparison. Overall very impressed, seems to make me want to keep playing it, and pick it up often. It's fun to play. It's beautiful. Let's see if I still like it so much in a few weeks.

This U5, I am told, is the most pre-ordered bass in Sire's short history, so I can't be the only person here who recently got one. I look forward to to other impressions, thoughts, issues, etc. So, this is my 2 cents, I have been anticipating this bass for a while; maybe it helps someone else who is contemplating it. Maybe I just bloviate. Maybe both.

Afterthought: No big thing but I really like the Sire logo on the headstock-- silver from one light angle and dark from another. hence the 2 headstock photos. I don't know if the 2nd gen basses have had that already, but I dig it.
 
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Thank you for that very comprehensive review and pictures!
That's a great looking bass and you gave a good idea of what to expect in terms of tone and sound. Glad to hear the bridge pickup isn't an afterthought.
Quick question, the strings are front mounted only on the U5? Went to the website and couldn't see a picture of the back of the bass or mentioned in the description if there's an option to load strings from the bottom like other Sire basses (ie. to add a wee bit more tension like the Squier CV Mustang SS).
 
Thank you for that very comprehensive review and pictures!
That's a great looking bass and you gave a good idea of what to expect in terms of tone and sound. Glad to hear the bridge pickup isn't an afterthought.
Quick question, the strings are front mounted only on the U5? Went to the website and couldn't see a picture of the back of the bass or mentioned in the description if there's an option to load strings from the bottom like other Sire basses (ie. to add a wee bit more tension like the Squier CV Mustang SS).

I took a back photo but guess I forgot to include it. It is also set up for through-body stringing as well as top.
 
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Thank you for that very comprehensive review and pictures!
That's a great looking bass and you gave a good idea of what to expect in terms of tone and sound. Glad to hear the bridge pickup isn't an afterthought.
Quick question, the strings are front mounted only on the U5? Went to the website and couldn't see a picture of the back of the bass or mentioned in the description if there's an option to load strings from the bottom like other Sire basses (ie. to add a wee bit more tension like the Squier CV Mustang SS).

Your comment does get me thinking, through-body might be a good choice on this particular bass.
 
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Thanks for your excellent review on the U5. I am going to order one very shortly but my dilemma is that I can’t make my mind up on which colour to go for! Initially I thought the mint colour was the one, but I don’t normally go for basses without pickguards and it’s probably me but the solid colour seems to somehow accentuate that it is guard-less? The tobacco burst model though has a lot going on visually in the flaming and looks superb and in fact a pickguard would probably spoil the effect. The lighter coloured flamed top is also very nice and seems to be the most popular of the three finishes, (going by the limited amount of videos on YouTube etc.

I think the Tobacco Burst one is probably the one I’ll go for, I would like to see a photo of the back of the bass if you get chance to posting the photo? I understand it’s a dark coloured finish?

Do you know what length strings it takes? I know some short scale basses actually require medium scale length strings, and especially if you string it up through the body.
 
Thanks for your excellent review on the U5. I am going to order one very shortly but my dilemma is that I can’t make my mind up on which colour to go for! Initially I thought the mint colour was the one, but I don’t normally go for basses without pickguards and it’s probably me but the solid colour seems to somehow accentuate that it is guard-less? The tobacco burst model though has a lot going on visually in the flaming and looks superb and in fact a pickguard would probably spoil the effect. The lighter coloured flamed top is also very nice and seems to be the most popular of the three finishes, (going by the limited amount of videos on YouTube etc.

I think the Tobacco Burst one is probably the one I’ll go for, I would like to see a photo of the back of the bass if you get chance to posting the photo? I understand it’s a dark coloured finish?

Do you know what length strings it takes? I know some short scale basses actually require medium scale length strings, and especially if you string it up through the body.

I was initially planning to get the natural color/finish, but after some thought decided I liked the slightly more subdued tobacco sunburst. The wood grain is still very apparent and attractive in the TS. Mint was just too much for me. Not that there's anything wrong with it. More subdued palate for me visually.

The back is a dark color, like the edges of the body you can see in some of the photos. I will post when I get to my phone.

Do you mostly play short scales is is this a foray?
 
Thanks for your excellent review on the U5. I am going to order one very shortly but my dilemma is that I can’t make my mind up on which colour to go for! Initially I thought the mint colour was the one, but I don’t normally go for basses without pickguards and it’s probably me but the solid colour seems to somehow accentuate that it is guard-less? The tobacco burst model though has a lot going on visually in the flaming and looks superb and in fact a pickguard would probably spoil the effect. The lighter coloured flamed top is also very nice and seems to be the most popular of the three finishes, (going by the limited amount of videos on YouTube etc.

I think the Tobacco Burst one is probably the one I’ll go for, I would like to see a photo of the back of the bass if you get chance to posting the photo? I understand it’s a dark coloured finish?

Do you know what length strings it takes? I know some short scale basses actually require medium scale length strings, and especially if you string it up through the body.


Not sure about the string length, I haven't taken them off yet. Here's the back: (BTW, pickups and rear control access plate still have the plastic on them).


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I was initially planning to get the natural color/finish, but after some thought decided I liked the slightly more subdued tobacco sunburst. The wood grain is still very apparent and attractive in the TS. Mint was just too much for me. Not that there's anything wrong with it. Do you mostly play short scales is is this a foray?

I think the tobacco sunburst is the way to go, as you say the mint is a bit of a strong colour and the tobacco shading gives it a nice touch over the natural finish one.

The rear and sides look nice in the darker colour, plus with the binding it seems a nice combination.

I don’t normally play short scale basses, I’ve had a Gibson SG bass before which was great to play but I couldn’t live with the sound. The U5 seems to have the playability and a great sound.

Does the U5 have all the same features of the other Series 2 models? I know it has the through body stringing and the rolled finger board edges, but does it have a bone nut?
 
Not sure about the string length, I haven't taken them off yet. Here's the back: (BTW, pickups and rear control access plate still have the plastic on them).


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Thanks for this image. Call me crazy, I'm craving a U5 but the back body contour could be make-or-break for me. How pronounced would you judge it to be?
 
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I think the tobacco sunburst is the way to go, as you say the mint is a bit of a strong colour and the tobacco shading gives it a nice touch over the natural finish one.

The rear and sides look nice in the darker colour, plus with the binding it seems a nice combination.

I don’t normally play short scale basses, I’ve had a Gibson SG bass before which was great to play but I couldn’t live with the sound. The U5 seems to have the playability and a great sound.

Does the U5 have all the same features of the other Series 2 models? I know it has the through body stringing and the rolled finger board edges, but does it have a bone nut?

Yes I believe it is a bone nut. I will pull it out later to confirm that.

I don't normally play short scales either, so it's something new for me. I don't expect that I will switch to short scale for typical use. But I am liking it so far.
 
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Thanks for this image. Call me crazy, I'm craving a U5 but the back body contour could be make-or-break for me. How pronounced would you judge it to be?

I will bear your question in mind next time I pull it out, later today. Not sure if you are thinking there might not be enough contour? I have also yet to put a strap on it and stand to play, I've been lap playing so far. That might make a difference. I haven't noticed any discomfort or issue but lap playing might not be the best way to judge that.

I was initially somewhat concerned (when ordering) that perhaps there wouldn't be enough contour over the top edge where your right hand/forearm makes contact with the body. It hasn't bothered me though when I strap it on I will be cognizant of and pay attention to that aspect. The body is quite thin so it doesn't feel like a big body I am having to lay my arm across. That thinness I think may also minimize the amount of gut contour it needs on the back.

In short I will think about your question next time I have it out (later today no doubt) and give you a more considered opinion on it.