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New (very old) cab day! Sunn ((o))))

That’s not a Cerwin Vega driver. It’s hard to know what driver may have been used, but finding an accurate kit for a speaker like that is unlikely. A kit would be made up of parts that fit but almost certainly not correct. The speaker will make noise, but no guarantee that it will sound good.

At this point in time, I would recommend measuring the internal volume, and the dimensions of the tapered port and then calculate what might be a reasonable modern driver. For an 18” driver, the acoustic polar data will be important also.
 
I don't think that's a CV speaker, unless it is a direct to manufacturer type, where the CV ID is not on the speaker. Best thing to do is to pull the speaker and see if there are numbers and a maker on the magnet. I think it could be a CTS, just judging from the width of the suspension. I THINK these boxes also could be had with a JBL 18", too. I would first make sure that is a the stock speaker, and then make it easy, and get it reconed. DIY reconing is iffy and you don't get a do over with the kit if you mess up. The flared port makes substituting a speaker harder, because you have to make sure the substitute speaker has the same parameters as the original. The box lets the speaker move freely and the flared port serves to amplify the very low end. Great find! When you get it going, I hope you can try it with a tube amp - that's a great sound.
 
Hey gang! I just got home from picking up a monster! I grabbed this Sunn 18 inch cab for literally free. Still has the original cover with it too, bonus! The speaker is pretty well shot, it makes sound but anything below about a C farts out pretty bad and it’s easy to see why. The cone is essentially rotted away. Rest of the cabinet is in great shape. I think this is an early seventies model, maybe a coliseum? It has the speaker mounted from the inside not onto the front baffle. I am excited to replace the speaker and see what this mammoth can do, until then, I’ll clean it up and admire it’s coolness. Any speaker suggestions for a replacement?
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I am seriously jealous of your find.. ;)
 
I recall a friend in the 1970's had a Fender cab with Radio Shack replacement drivers in it and they had that vented dust cap similar to the OP driver. Next step is to see what is in there.
Agreed, years ago there were quite a few OEM and aftermarket manufacturers of drivers, most of which had no available data. Radio Shack contracted with a few, there were also companies like Oaktron, Utah and Quam that made inexpensive 18" drivers for these applications.

IME, these were drivers that were intended for boxes to be designed around by using the tune and measure and then retune and remeasure method. This CAN work well for somebody who understands how ported cabinets work, but takes a lot more time, effort and expense. This is exactly how and why TS methods and parameter characterizations came to be.

IMO, the best way to move forward is to look at what drivers are currently available that have extended HF response (for an 18" that is), but it also needs to have good polar pattern as some 18" drivers are abysmal in this regard. THEN, the suitable candidates will need to be modeled in that box (approximation since the flaired port is not directly modeled in most analysis software) to see which candidate works the best. If weight is not an objection, there are some reasonable choices IME.

Also, you might check to see what driver was standard, and then look for a used one. Reconing this era of driver with correct parts is going to be difficult at best, generally the shops will look for parts that fit and build up something that will make noise because the original parts and parameters are unknown. It's possible that this driver was also used in some of the Sunn PA cabinets of the day, Fender's Sunn support site might offer some clues to this. I believe Sunn called (or branded) these drivers under the Magna label.
 
Yes that cab is awesome, great find!

I agree with some finding a place with access to an actual recone kit will be problematic and who knows if it's the stock speaker and actually worth reconing.

I gotta say though, was there EVER a more awesome name for an amp than Sunn Coliseum? No there was not LOL, not even close (although a lot of the SWR stuff had great names, but not as cool as COLISEUM.

Back in the day that name said it all, if you had one of these you were not to be trifled with, your rig was not just for bar bands or mid-sized venues, you were ready for the enormo-dome Coliseum gigs!

When I was but a yute of about 14 - 15 we used to go into Paragon Music in Tampa and I would just stare in rapt attention at the Sunn Coliseum stacks they had there (two of these single 18" cabs with the head up top).

I have no idea what that rig cost, but far more than I could afford, it was like window shopping at the Ferrari dealer LOL.

A Coliseum bass head put out what, 320 watts or so into a pair of those monster cabinets? That was some serious juice for the early to mid 70's.

Surely a number of these were sold back in the day, I wonder what happened to all of them?

Analogeezer
 
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Agreed, years ago there were quite a few OEM and aftermarket manufacturers of drivers, most of which had no available data. Radio Shack contracted with a few, there were also companies like Oaktron, Utah and Quam that made inexpensive 18" drivers for these applications.

IME, these were drivers that were intended for boxes to be designed around by using the tune and measure and then retune and remeasure method. This CAN work well for somebody who understands how ported cabinets work, but takes a lot more time, effort and expense. This is exactly how and why TS methods and parameter characterizations came to be.

IMO, the best way to move forward is to look at what drivers are currently available that have extended HF response (for an 18" that is), but it also needs to have good polar pattern as some 18" drivers are abysmal in this regard. THEN, the suitable candidates will need to be modeled in that box (approximation since the flaired port is not directly modeled in most analysis software) to see which candidate works the best. If weight is not an objection, there are some reasonable choices IME.

Also, you might check to see what driver was standard, and then look for a used one. Reconing this era of driver with correct parts is going to be difficult at best, generally the shops will look for parts that fit and build up something that will make noise because the original parts and parameters are unknown. It's possible that this driver was also used in some of the Sunn PA cabinets of the day, Fender's Sunn support site might offer some clues to this. I believe Sunn called (or branded) these drivers under the Magna label.

While good advice I think the chances of finding one are close to zero and if you do find one, chances are it has been setting in a garage or basement and has dry rotted or mildewed or what have you. I mean if you find one cheap it's worth a shot but finding one is only part of the way there.

I once "inherited" (long story involving a Mormon income tax scam) a pair of EV Eliminator I copies (the original folded horn design from like 1969) which lucky for me had 15" D-130's in them. The guy who ripped me off who owned them had no idea what they had in them.

That was the good part, the bad part was they were totally dry rotted from sitting in a garage, but being D-130's well worth reconing and the kits existed.

As far as new 18" speakers FOR BASS, they have been out of fashion for so long what is actually left on the market? Hell even for PA use 18" speakers have been largely out of favor now for what, 20+ years?

18" speakers still live on for the car stereo crowd (who like to fill their trunk with an entire subwoofer) and some people at home making 18" subs from kits but of course those speakers would be wildly inappropriate.

Eminence doesn't even offer an 18" for bass guitar anymore, they have a plethora of PA 18" speakers but I don't know how well those would work in this Sunn cabinet.

Unlike the old Acoustic stuff there is not a large "preservation society" for Sunn gear which might have specs and other details on these cabinets.

IIRC when Entwhistle used these as part of a mega system for stadiums he might have replaced the 18" drivers with Gauss drivers but I might be remembering that wrong.

Anyway Gauss you wind up in the same situation; recone kits are hard to source and any used ones you come across will have seen better days.

I am thinking the best solution here is to just find an 18" driver that is "close" to the original and just go with that; I don't get the impression the OP is going to use this for a critical gig situation, more to have it and fix it up.

Analogeezer

p.s. I actually own a piece of vintage Sunn gear! It's a single 15" and horn PA cabinet, kinda small from the Sunn era in the 1980's where they painted the fronts of the cabinets white with a see through black grill cover.

It was given to me by the keyboard player in my band, so I would up putting in a different horn, with a different compression driver, a new crossover, and an Emminence Kappa 15"; ported to the specs recommended by Emminence (the stock cabinet was sealed).

It actually sounds pretty good, I set it up as a monitor for the keyboard player in our rehearsal space and he commented on how much better it sounded.....which was not a big deal as I imagine the stock, cheap PA cab sounded horrible.

I've also used it as a monitor for a drummer, but not putting actual drums through it (well electronic drums), has worked well for that.

But I took the grill off, painted the white front and now all the Sunn that is left is the shell, tolex and the strap handle on top.
 
While good advice I think the chances of finding one are close to zero and if you do find one, chances are it has been setting in a garage or basement and has dry rotted or mildewed or what have you. I mean if you find one cheap it's worth a shot but finding one is only part of the way there.

I once "inherited" (long story involving a Mormon income tax scam) a pair of EV Eliminator I copies (the original folded horn design from like 1969) which lucky for me had 15" D-130's in them. The guy who ripped me off who owned them had no idea what they had in them.

That was the good part, the bad part was they were totally dry rotted from sitting in a garage, but being D-130's well worth reconing and the kits existed.

As far as new 18" speakers FOR BASS, they have been out of fashion for so long what is actually left on the market? Hell even for PA use 18" speakers have been largely out of favor now for what, 20+ years?

18" speakers still live on for the car stereo crowd (who like to fill their trunk with an entire subwoofer) and some people at home making 18" subs from kits but of course those speakers would be wildly inappropriate.

Eminence doesn't even offer an 18" for bass guitar anymore, they have a plethora of PA 18" speakers but I don't know how well those would work in this Sunn cabinet.

Unlike the old Acoustic stuff there is not a large "preservation society" for Sunn gear which might have specs and other details on these cabinets.

IIRC when Entwhistle used these as part of a mega system for stadiums he might have replaced the 18" drivers with Gauss drivers but I might be remembering that wrong.

Anyway Gauss you wind up in the same situation; recone kits are hard to source and any used ones you come across will have seen better days.

I am thinking the best solution here is to just find an 18" driver that is "close" to the original and just go with that; I don't get the impression the OP is going to use this for a critical gig situation, more to have it and fix it up.

Analogeezer

p.s. I actually own a piece of vintage Sunn gear! It's a single 15" and horn PA cabinet, kinda small from the Sunn era in the 1980's where they painted the fronts of the cabinets white with a see through black grill cover.

It was given to me by the keyboard player in my band, so I would up putting in a different horn, with a different compression driver, a new crossover, and an Emminence Kappa 15"; ported to the specs recommended by Emminence (the stock cabinet was sealed).

It actually sounds pretty good, I set it up as a monitor for the keyboard player in our rehearsal space and he commented on how much better it sounded.....which was not a big deal as I imagine the stock, cheap PA cab sounded horrible.

I've also used it as a monitor for a drummer, but not putting actual drums through it (well electronic drums), has worked well for that.

But I took the grill off, painted the white front and now all the Sunn that is left is the shell, tolex and the strap handle on top.
You are correct, I am not looking to lug this thing to gigs, but I’ll make it function and enjoy how cool it looks. I will probably end up putting the first functional 18 I can get cheap in it just to play around and I’ll scan the classifieds in the meantime for an original. I’m still excited to play around with this mammoth.
 
Like I said , the original Sunn Coliseum front loaded 18" cabinets like this one had Cerwin Vega speakers . I used one for a gig with my Sunn Concert head in the early 70's and didn't really like the sound , too dry and lifeless . I was using JBL D-140s in a Sunn 200 cabinet and borrowed the 118 cab to try from a local music store . I liked the 15 cabinet much more . It wasn't long after this I got a Peavey short folded horn cabinet with a Cerwin Vega 18 and liked the tone of it much more too . Sunn really had some killer gear at that time .
 
18" drivers are still used in most touring PA rigs for subs.

18" drivers have fallen out of favor for bass guitar because there are many more high performance options in smaller diameters, and drivers that perform MUCH better in smaller cabinets.

I suggested finding a used driver because they are out there, especially older Cerwin Vega bass guitar drivers.
Gauss is really not an option because factory recone kits are not available, I've seen very few aftermarket kits available and those that were abysmal at best. This was probably 15 years ago.

I believe the original Cerwin Vega option for the Sunn was the 188EB but it may have also been the 189E. Both are available, I would look to see which was the optional driver.
 

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