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New Wave / Punk forebears...

I have a great cassette of a WOV gig from the Beyond Baroque Poetry center in Venice, CA - Spring 1980...

Ya needs ta digitize that chit, holmes!

I can't believe I haven't posted these guys in this thread yet. Talk about punk fore bearers...these guys were incredible ahead of their time, so much so that their record label wouldn't even let this album and songs get released until years later. Such a great album though.



Absolutely. They are one of those kinda "between the cracks" bands that were precursors...Simply Saucer, Debris and Rocket From The Tombs fit here, among others, IMO.

There was more "before" than just The Stooges, The Velvets and MC5.

On a similar note, more on the poppy, pre-new wave side perhaps, the first couple of Brian Eno solo albums (after leaving Roxy Music) are also just killer. I literally never get tired of "Here Come the Warm Jets" and "Taking Tiger Mountain (By Strategy)."

From 1973 and 1975 respectively, like the Devo stuff I mentioned earlier, they could drop tomorrow and still sound ahead of their time. I think, anyway.
 
Now I surely dig a lot of early East Coast stuff...Ramones, Heads, Dolls, Television, etc...the whole CBGBs scene, to me the West was best...Chrome from SF...X, Germs, Flesh Eaters, Screamers, Gun Club, Flag, DKs...

You really surprise me with all this! I wrongly assumed you were a vintage/classic rock fan for some reason.
Gun Club was my favorite band of the L.A. punk scene, so much so that I self-produced a documentary about the band some years ago to keep in touch with my teenage self as it were.

Those inclined should check it out on this free stream. It includes original interview footage with the band members, Gun Club supporters like Rollins, and even Uncle Lemmy, cuz Lemmy is god.


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Ya needs ta digitize that chit, holmes!

I made a dub of the tape for Bruce Moreland sometime around 2007, so he has the material, at least.
It's not the best tape ever for the reason that the tape op pressed pause between songs to conserve tape, but as most
numbers began with very long synth pulses (Stan staring down the gobbing fans during these long pregnant pauses), all the
numbers are there. What's surprising is how fine are the instrument tones, and how well-balanced the mix, on what was a boom
box recording of a band doing what was essentially a house party mix. All of which is not only to say the tape is a good one, but that
one-mic tapes don't get their due in modern rock. I just found a living room jam tape done on a ONE MIC recording into protools, bass, drums,
guitar and vocals all live into ONE MIC, and it sounds fantastic. I've made the last couple albums doing a lot of virtual multi-tracking, but I am really
feeling the lo-fi call lately.
 
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You really surprise me with all this! I wrongly assumed you were a vintage/classic rock fan for some reason.

Well, I have pretty wide-ranging tastes, but we've talked a bit about Wobble, you and I, and besides--who do you think started this thread?

Much more I wanna talk about, and very interested in your film (!) but I have barely slept the last couple nights and am...starting...to...fade out....
 
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Johnathan Richman just came through town last week and then Tuesday night I caught PIL. Wow getting old.

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I have friends who would skewer me for saying this, but just as I like US punk more than UK punk (in general) I also prefer LA punk to NYC punk (in general, Ramones aside.)

Now I surely dig a lot of early East Coast stuff...Ramones, Heads, Dolls, Television, etc...the whole CBGBs scene, to me the West was best...Chrome from SF...X, Germs, Flesh Eaters, Screamers, Gun Club, Flag, DKs...

Given the choice (and a time machine) I'd probably be hanging at The Masque over Max's Kansas City.

When it comes to the hardcore era I can't stand ANY of that NYC stuff (Bad Brains don't count)!! South Bay/Orange County all the way...
 
This is a street poster for the 1980 Los Angeles concert by Public Image Limited.
I pulled the poster off a lamp post back in the day.
What strikes me is that the phone number for ticket orders contains no area code -- Los Angeles was all 213 in those days.
It was a terrific concert, held at a downtown boxing ring.
I was not a punk at all, with hair down my shoulders, and in my enthusiasm to get to the band I pushed my way through the mosh pit, where I remained until the last number, an improv and pass the mic affair, upon which a gang of punks beat the tar out of me.

I struggled my way outside only to see another poor guy being chained.
Finally reunited with my pal to find he too had been drubbed.
Good times! Ah, youth!


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Anybody ever heard of these guys. I have not until last night. New Zealand wave/punk 78-80


I've not, but this is great!!! Thanks for the tip.

It seems like a lot of great music came out of the Aussie/NZ scenes that is North Americans didn't have a chance to discover. I've enjoyed The Bats after hearing about them earlier in this thread (thanks again to @northbynorth for that tip!).
 
I've not, but this is great!!! Thanks for the tip.

It seems like a lot of great music came out of the Aussie/NZ scenes that is North Americans didn't have a chance to discover. I've enjoyed The Bats after hearing about them earlier in this thread (thanks again to @northbynorth for that tip!).
Now I get to look up the Bats. Well what do you know same label as Toy Love. Awesome! Thanks. Also the Bats were started by Toy Love's bassist Paul Keen. Very cool.
 
Now I get to look up the Bats. Well what do you know same label as Toy Love. Awesome! Thanks. Also the Bats were started by Toy Love's bassist Paul Keen. Very cool.

Ok, I definitely have to check out Toy Love then, because The Bats' bassist is a massive part of what makes that band awesome.

Thanks back at you - off to check out more Toy Love and southern hemisphere punk!
 
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This thread has gone on several pages without mention of these two great players. I will rectify that here.

Peter Principle (early Tuxedomoon)
Dale Sophiea (MX-80 Sound)


Great players, both.

Check out the bass on this track:



Tuxedomoon quickly veered into "new romantic" type territory a little more than I dig, but their early singles and albums were quite cool (IMO.)
 
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...What's surprising is how fine are the instrument tones, and how well-balanced the mix, on what was a boom box recording of a band doing what was essentially a house party mix. All of which is not only to say the tape is a good one, but that
one-mic tapes don't get their due in modern rock. I just found a living room jam tape done on a ONE MIC recording into protools, bass, drums,
guitar and vocals all live into ONE MIC, and it sounds fantastic. I've made the last couple albums doing a lot of virtual multi-tracking, but I am really feeling the lo-fi call lately.

I've been meaning to respond to this aspect of the discussion for a while now. I totally agree. I am not into "lo-fi for lo-fi's sake" but I am enamored of the idea that you can still use old tape recorders and get interesting results. And results that (IMO) can be more unique than you'd get with your typical "bedroom recordist hero" that is likely using the same essential computer programs/soft tools everyone else is.

A good friend of mine (long time recording partner and most creative person I know...great artist) and I were talking about this recently. How while digital things can be cool, there are simply things you can do on tape and on film that you can't replicate on digital completely.

With a phone and a program you can take any image and make it precisely what you want it to be, but there was, I think, a charm and a craft to physically manipulating sound and images in analog, plastic formats that are largely lost today.

One element of this is the UNEXPECTED result. Instead of nuancing an image/recording in great detail and with countless tools, back in the day we'd try our hands at different things and just see what would stick. You might be aiming for one thing but get a completely different, unforeseen result that was better. Chance.

I have made a lot of music (sounds, anyway...some people may not classify some of it as "music" per se) over the years--and continue to--with simple tape recorders with field recordings of different things, open condenser mic recordings of me playing bass, guitar, etc., run through effects pedals (poor man's synth!) and manipulated various ways, layered, etc. Today I sometimes input these things into a simple program or, more likely, into a digital 4 track to layer things, but the overall approach and results are (to my mind/ears) fairly similar to what I would have achieved in the pre-digital era.

I remember about 20 years back I was in an acoustic jug band type of outfit. We recorded many of our practice jams and even gigs on some ancient boombox, direct to tape. we went to the expense and effort to lay down tracks at a nice studio, and to all of our ears the homemade boombox recordings sounded far more alive. Might have been a bit more hiss, but being in an honest-t-god studio robbed the music of its immediacy and, more pertinently, it didn't sound any better to our ears with regards to quality.

I once recorded/bootlegged a Flaming Lips show back in the early 90s with nothing but a handheld Walkman-style tape player/recorder. It sounded incredible.
 
I've been meaning to respond to this aspect of the discussion for a while now. I totally agree. I am not into "lo-fi for lo-fi's sake" but I am enamored of the idea that you can still use old tape recorders and get interesting results. And results that (IMO) can be more unique than you'd get with your typical "bedroom recordist hero" that is likely using the same essential computer programs/soft tools everyone else is.

A good friend of mine (long time recording partner and most creative person I know...great artist) and I were talking about this recently. How while digital things can be cool, there are simply things you can do on tape and on film that you can't replicate on digital completely.

With a phone and a program you can take any image and make it precisely what you want it to be, but there was, I think, a charm and a craft to physically manipulating sound and images in analog, plastic formats that are largely lost today.

One element of this is the UNEXPECTED result. Instead of nuancing an image/recording in great detail and with countless tools, back in the day we'd try our hands at different things and just see what would stick. You might be aiming for one thing but get a completely different, unforeseen result that was better. Chance.

I have made a lot of music (sounds, anyway...some people may not classify some of it as "music" per se) over the years--and continue to--with simple tape recorders with field recordings of different things, open condenser mic recordings of me playing bass, guitar, etc., run through effects pedals (poor man's synth!) and manipulated various ways, layered, etc. Today I sometimes input these things into a simple program or, more likely, into a digital 4 track to layer things, but the overall approach and results are (to my mind/ears) fairly similar to what I would have achieved in the pre-digital era.

I remember about 20 years back I was in an acoustic jug band type of outfit. We recorded many of our practice jams and even gigs on some ancient boombox, direct to tape. we went to the expense and effort to lay down tracks at a nice studio, and to all of our ears the homemade boombox recordings sounded far more alive. Might have been a bit more hiss, but being in an honest-t-god studio robbed the music of its immediacy and, more pertinently, it didn't sound any better to our ears with regards to quality.

I once recorded/bootlegged a Flaming Lips show back in the early 90s with nothing but a handheld Walkman-style tape player/recorder. It sounded incredible.

Thanks for taking the time to pick up the thread of this conversation, Mudd -- I read your musings with interest.

Springsteen's Nebraska was recorded on a cassette porta-studio; Dylan's early 90's albums "Good As I Been To You" and "World Gone Wrong"
were allegedly recorded on a boom box, because Dylan thought the tape saturation and naturally occurring distortion made the collection of covers
sound more vintage.
 
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