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Double Bass New Zyex Strings

I've been playing UB for only 5 months now, but have been playing EB for over 50 years (yeah, I'm an old retired geezer, and love it!). My Shen SB88 laminate bass (Upton setup) came to me with the original (6 months old) Helicore Pizzacato Llghts on it. I was never happy with these strings, as I felt they had way to much point on the attack, didn't care for the tone, were uneven string-to-string, and felt very hard on my left hand fingertips, to the point that I had to stop playing for several weeks. I had commented on these issues in a couple of string threads here on TB.

Last week, I got a nice message from Josephine at D'Addario about my string "issues", and after a couple of email exchanges regarding my instrument and the sound I was looking for, kindly sent me a package of Zyex lights to try out. Here's my report on the first 24 hours with these strings.

I put the Zyex lights on my 2013 Shen yesterday, and then proceeded to play them pretty hard for several hours with my friend Jack on his old Martin guitar. The first thing Paul, our sound guy, and I noticed was the lack of the harsh attack I got from the Helicores. Also, more fullness to the tone, much richer. I could even hear this at the playing position (Paul had the sweet spot about 4 feet from the bass). The bass now has a richer sound, and is actually easier for me to hear while playing. Next was the fact that all the strings are well matched across the set, where as before, the D was way louder than the other strings, and E almost sounded dead. The only downside is that the bass isn't quite as loud as before, but I'll take that in a heartbeat for the improvement in sound. I was having some intonation issues during the evening, but I'll chalk this up to not enough practice lately and the new strings stretching. As the night went on, Jack commented several times on how much better the bass sounds. We play roots, folk, jazz standards, etc. and the Zyex have given my bass a much more "traditional" sound, and still growls when I want it to.

The Zyex are also much easier on the fingertips of my left hand, and I was able to play with more intensity for a longer period of time as a result. Being synthetic core strings, they are softer to the touch and lower tension. This enabled me to play with a lot more expression and feeling. I also noticed the improved feel on my right hand (I play strictly pizz, no arco). I had to retune after every couple of songs last night, but that was totally expected for new synthetic strings, so no surprises there. I tuned them up again before a short practice tonight, and they held much better after being on the bass for 24 hours.

I'll be doing a recording of the bass in a couple of days to compare these strings to a recording of the old ones so I can really hear what's going on with the Zyex. I'll post my thoughts again after that, and also after I've had the strings on for about a month or so. Thanks, Josephine, you have made my Shen sound like a more expensive bass, and its so much more fun to play! :)
 
How do the light gauge compare to the "regular" gauge. My bass likes a little more tension to move the top (Evah Weich were crap for my bass). It loved spirocores when I had them on but I wanted something a little more bow able and synthetic sounding. The Helicore Hybrid didn't have the pizz tone that I'm hearing. Any comparison to the Zyex Medium and Helicore Hybrid Medium?
 
I used to have a set of zyex on my Kay bass, and they were my favourite strings for that bass (after using spiros, obligatos, animas, and Evahs). They had a great punch, were super clear and consistent and they broke in within a day or so which is exceptional for a synthetic. I miss that bass and those strings.
 
I've only tried lights on my bass, so I can't answer those questions, bskts247 (sorry, no name on your profile).
I would like to try some mediums sometime to see how much louder they would be, and after playing the Zyex lights for over a month, I think I could handle the higher tension with them. Still liking these a lot, but could use some more umph from the low E (this could also be from the bass).
 
I used to have a set of zyex on my Kay bass, and they were my favourite strings for that bass (after using spiros, obligatos, animas, and Evahs). They had a great punch, were super clear and consistent and they broke in within a day or so which is exceptional for a synthetic. I miss that bass and those strings.
Jonny! animas vs zyex tension wise, tell me about it please! I like animas a lot but I want a string like that but more boweable, I'm play pizz all the time but I'm trying to improve my bowing....
Excuse my english!
 
Jonny! animas vs zyex tension wise, tell me about it please! I like animas a lot but I want a string like that but more boweable, I'm play pizz all the time but I'm trying to improve my bowing....
Excuse my english!

I'll pine in to give you some help Ojedia. I've never used Animas before so I can't help with tension difference. I'd look for the tension charts online to help compare. They are a pretty killer jazz string. I'm using a medium set. The D and G are crazy powerful and have amazing sustain. The A is a mix. It can give a nice growl and thud when wanted. I found the E to be a bit dead sounding and really floppy, so I put in a Spiro E to fix that. The Spiro E blends quite nicely. For bowing, they're initially scratchy but settle in quite nicely. They have a very vocal like quality to them and are quite loud. I was able to play equal to or louder than a 12 man cello section with them. They are really easy to bow. Very quick and easy response. Great strings for sure, but if you're looking for nearly gut sounding strings these don't cut it.
 
I'll pine in to give you some help Ojedia. I've never used Animas before so I can't help with tension difference. I'd look for the tension charts online to help compare. They are a pretty killer jazz string. I'm using a medium set. The D and G are crazy powerful and have amazing sustain. The A is a mix. It can give a nice growl and thud when wanted. I found the E to be a bit dead sounding and really floppy, so I put in a Spiro E to fix that. The Spiro E blends quite nicely. For bowing, they're initially scratchy but settle in quite nicely. They have a very vocal like quality to them and are quite loud. I was able to play equal to or louder than a 12 man cello section with them. They are really easy to bow. Very quick and easy response. Great strings for sure, but if you're looking for nearly gut sounding strings these don't cut it.

Thanks jazzcat_13! but you're talking about the zyex's or Animas? sorry. hugs
 
Jonny! animas vs zyex tension wise, tell me about it please! I like animas a lot but I want a string like that but more boweable, I'm play pizz all the time but I'm trying to improve my bowing....
Excuse my english!


Ojedia: Zyex Medium tensions:
G - 61 lbs
D - 62.5 lbs
A - 64.5 lbs
E - 66 lbs.

Zyex Light:

G - 58 lbs
D - 59.5 lbs
A - 62.4 lbs
E - 64 lbs

I have tried both gauges of Zyex and prefer (like many others) the Mediums. The Lights are a bit too light for many folks.

Anima:

25 grams ( about 55 lbs) for each string

I can`t take credit for this....all these figures come from Bob Gollihur`s website ( gollihurmusic.com).
 
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I took the Spirocore weichs off my bass today and put on a set of Zyex mediums.

Too soon to tell much. They took some time for me to get them into tune. However, they took eventually.

They feel "softer" than the spiros but still quick and just as responsive. I don't know if that makes any sense. The volume also dropped off noticeably.

I bowed them a little bit, but I didn't put much into it (I really don't bow).

I really liked the feel of raw guts and the tone for most things. Had their drawbacks of course. I used to slap a lot, but I needed better pizz volume to be more versatile.

I wouldn't compare the tone to naked guts at all. Those sound like Demi Moore. The Spiros sound like Fran Dresher. These are somewhere between.

They are a bit like the Evahs I had on a different bass, but, that was a different bass. So that may not be a fair comparison.

I will pull on them some more during the week and see how the break in.

So far, they turn out to be pretty much what I was looking for in a string.
 
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I took the Spirocore weichs off my bass today and put on a set of Zyex mediums.

Too soon to tell much. They took some time for me to get them into tune. However, they took eventually.

They feel "softer" than the spiros but still quick and just as responsive. I don't know if that makes any sense. The volume also dropped off noticeably.

I bowed them a little bit, but I didn't put much into it (I really don't bow).

I really liked the feel of raw guts and the tone for most things. Had their drawbacks of course. I used to slap a lot, but I needed better pizz volume to be more versatile.

I wouldn't compare the tone to naked guts at all. Those sound like Demi Moore. The Spiros sound like Fran Dresher. These are somewhere between.

They are a bit like the Evahs I had on a different bass, but, that was a different bass. So that may not be a fair comparison.

I will pull on them some more during the week and see how the break in.

So far, they turn out to be pretty much what I was looking for in a string.


Zulu: Give the Zyex Mediums time before making an assessment. In a couple of weeks they will settle in and give you a nice, full, punchy sound.
 
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Ojedia: Zyex Medium tensions:
G - 61 lbs
D - 62.5 lbs
A - 64.5 lbs
E - 66 lbs.

Zyex Light:

G - 58 lbs
D - 59.5 lbs
A - 62.4 lbs
E - 64 lbs

I have tried both gauges of Zyex and prefer (like many others) the Mediums. The Lights are a bit too light for many folks.

Anima:

25 grams ( about 55 lbs) for each string

I can`t take credit for this....all these figures come from Bob Gollihur`s website ( gollihurmusic.com).

Great info!!!! so zyex lights still are heavier than animas, I just got a set of second hand zyex, I'll give it a try mostly becose of the money but in the future I think my right choice we'll be Animas (or Blue) Velvets. Thank a lot guys!!!!!!!!
 
Zulu, I had been considering either the Evah's or the Spirocores lights for a string with a bit more "umph" than the Zyex lights I have on the bass now, especially for the E. How do these compare volume-wise with the Zyex (even though on a different bass)? I'm also finding the gauge of the Zyex lights a bit "big", and would like a slightly thinner diameter string if I can find the right one. I do really like the sound of the Zyex for the music we play, and the guys in the band are still often commenting on how good my "big geetar" sounds.
 
Zulu, I had been considering either the Evah's or the Spirocores lights for a string with a bit more "umph" than the Zyex lights I have on the bass now, especially for the E. How do these compare volume-wise with the Zyex (even though on a different bass)? I'm also finding the gauge of the Zyex lights a bit "big", and would like a slightly thinner diameter string if I can find the right one. I do really like the sound of the Zyex for the music we play, and the guys in the band are still often commenting on how good my "big geetar" sounds.

My previous bass was a hybrid round-back made with completely different materials (spruce top and poplar? laminates).
My current bass is fully carved flat back and is probably the loudest basses I've played. I just can't compare the two.
On my previous bass, the Evah mediums were plenty loud. But I had black tapewounds on it prior. I don't remember a remarkable volume difference.
On my current bass, the Spiro weichs were very loud, but I wasn't a fan of the tone. The volume with the Zyex has dropped off, but I definitely like the tone and feel much more. Plus, they will break in eventually and I'm told the volume will be there. Although, it certainly isn't a quiet bass.
 
Zulu, I agree about the tone of the Zyex, they are very nice. They broke in very well, and seem pretty well balanced across the set, but I would still like more meat from the E string. May just try adding a Spiro low E to start.

byrdzeye: I used the Spiro Mittel E with the Medium Zyex and it makes a great combination. Come to think of it, I have used the Mittel E with several combinations of strings including synthetic and gut and it has worked very well.
 
Finally I put a set of second hand medium Zyex strings, (because they're cheap) meanwhile I try to get some Velvet animas or blues (very expensive).
The tone is pretty nice, I think I like it better than Spiros but they haven't much volume and the E string is absolute dead.... I had to put some other string that I don't even know what is... surely a cheap string that comes from my babybass when I bought it... a really crappy string but much better than the Zyex.... I found the G and D to be pretty nice, the A no so much, and the E totally crap...
I thought they could match with the velvets in tension and gut like tone, but there´s a lightyears away from that... the only thing is better is that there are softer to my fingers for the nice flatwound...

So... the zyex G,D are pretty nice strings for nice and cheap sets, combined with some other.. A and E (spiro weich I think could work...) and if you wanna a better string, then go in other way.... I will like to test someday the light gauge, maybe they work more like I was searching before but with this test I lost interest in zyex... I have to use it for a while until I can buy the velvets...