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Newbie tube amp question(s)

stevensivak

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So.... when shutting down my new Prodigy, do I need to let it cool off
in standby before shutting down the power or do I go straight to the on/off switch?
Also, when/if I remove the instrument cord from the front, do I need to be in standby or mute or just turn down the volume to "off". thanks!
 
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So.... when shutting down my new Prodigy, do I need to let it cool off
in standby before shutting down the power or do I go straight to the on/off switch?
Also, when/if I remove the instrument cord from the front, do I need to be in standby or mute or just turn down the volume to "off". thanks!

I would set the amp to standby and then turn the power off. I don't think there is any need for any significant delay before you turn the power off.

If for some reason you want to disconnect the instrument cord with the amp in operate mode, engage the mute switch. This is so you don't send a high powered transient that could damage your speaker. You could also turn down the Master, but then you have to fiddle with it to set the volume again.
 
When shutting down it makes no difference if you go straight to switch off without first switching to standby. I think most people, including me, have just got into the habit of using standby when switching in both directions (or or off).

Likewise, pulling the IEC plug out before switching off won't harm the amp and some people claim that's actually a good idea because it is said to bleed the large power supply capacitors more quickly. I dunno about that. It seems to me that could be useful if one were planning on poking around inside the amp but otherwise it's probably irrelevant.
 
Like others above, I put it in standby before powering off. Not sure it’s actually necessary, but my amp (v4b) pops a bit on shutdown unless I allow a few seconds in standby first. I hate pops, so standby it is.

Another thing - tubes are supposedly more vulnerable to shock when they are warm. If you’re at a gig, for example, it’s good practice to let the amp cool down for a few minutes after you power off completely, before you move it. Just in case you bang into something on the way out.
 
Placing the amp in standby allows the B+ supply to the tubes and screens of the power tubes to decay. When this happens, the tubes begin to cool gradually. After a minute or so, shut the power down.

Just be sure to turn either the input gain or master volume down before plugging/unplugging the instrument cable.
 
Placing the amp in standby allows the B+ supply to the tubes and screens of the power tubes to decay. When this happens, the tubes begin to cool gradually. After a minute or so, shut the power down.

Thanks for shedding some light on this.

What are the consequences if the amp is powered off before the B+ and screen supplies have decayed? Is this true for all/most tube amps, or specific to the Prodigy?
 
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Leo Fenders amplifiers are probably the best known for this feature.

After all, guitar and bass amplifiers saw them first in his excellent amplifier designs.

Leo was not a trained technician as such, but rather, self-taught at a time when there were few books or guides available.

So he learnt from RCA service manuals written by clever technicians, that using a standby / power arrangement was the correct method.

Leo was originally a radio repair man in an era when radio was the form of communication. Radio transmitters used some very powerful valves (tubes) and best industry practice introduced protocols for start-up and shut-down.

Standard Operating Procedure and Protocols are typical in any industry.


Perhaps by analogy, we could consider similar protocols we use daily without thinking much about them, such as starting or shutting down the computers at home or at work.

Therefore, it was entirely logical and best practise to Leo whilst designing his amplifiers to include a similar start up and shut down procedure, as was current best industry practise during that era.

The salient thing to note is that the RCA technicians from whose service manuals Leo learnt, were not building small guitar amps, which used similar valves to large domestic radio sets of the day, but huge radio transmitter stations, so their protocols were not directly equivalent to Leo's application.


The same service manuals explained that leaving equipment in standby should not occur for long periods, that is harmful to the electronics.

Three to five minutes at start up, and simply turn the volume down if you have a short break in a live set rather than use the standby switch, which would otherwise make a noise.

Strictly speaking they are not necessary for guitar amplifier applications, but as more powerful amplifiers were introduced involving higher voltages, using this procedure aided correct loading to the relatively inexpensive capacitors Leo used, to keep costs down.

They don’t protect the valves, which most people seem to believe, but by disconnecting the high voltage allow the cheaper capacitors to fully actuate before introducing full power to the valves. It will not extend the life of the valves, but can reduce their life. Valves don’t mind if heaters and high tension occur simultaneously, but overall helps the circuitry.

Interestingly, the facility to switch off high tension is a useful tool in research and development situations. Especially when a lot of tweaking of circuits is going on for instance in development stages, or when there is a fault and diagnosis necessary. Its far quicker than constantly waiting for things to warm up again and again.

So, useful if you are designing amplifiers or repairing them like Leo Fender.


Don’t worry too much about it.

Use the standby to warm up for a few minutes.

Also use it for short periods if plugging in or out of the amp to reduce popping if you want.

Don’t use it to keep everything warm while you have a fifteen-minute break, turn the volume down instead.

Personally, I tend to use the standby switch getting the amp warmed and cooled at start up and shutdown, and allow plenty of cooling time before anything gets moved. Heat is a real issue with electronics as is constantly switching on and off.
 
They don’t protect the valves, which most people seem to believe, but by disconnecting the high voltage allow the cheaper capacitors to fully actuate before introducing full power to the valves. It will not extend the life of the valves, but can reduce their life. Valves don’t mind if heaters and high tension occur simultaneously, but overall helps the circuitry.

I’ve heard - from many sources - the reason for standby was to allow the power tubes to heat up before being slammed by the 400 volt (+/-) B+ … save the tubes! The exception being some designs - Fender Princeton being the classic - where the rectifier holds back B+ until until it is also pre-heated.
 
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New to the Tube Amp world myself, but since mine doesn’t have standby, I just make sure the volume is down when I turn it on and let it warm up for a few minutes. I turn the volume down to 0 when changing bass, or unplugging. Probably need to do the same when turning off.

What tube amp do you have without standby, out of interest?
 
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Thanks for shedding some light on this.

What are the consequences if the amp is powered off before the B+ and screen supplies have decayed? Is this true for all/most tube amps, or specific to the Prodigy?
It’s relatively minor, but the rate of change of temperature in the tube structure will be faster which affects the tube pin seals, and the mechanical structure inside the envelope. It’s true of all amps, but the higher powered amps suffer more.