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Double Bass Newly developed microphone for Double-bass - Remic D5400LB

#61
Are you sending the EDB1 (and eventually the Felix) signal to the effects return input on your AI? If not, are you running the eq totally flat on the AI?

The new version of the AI amps got rid of the effects send/return, which was the one thing I didn't like about the update.
 
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I played last night at a loud Bar/Restaurant in San Francisco. I brought the Wizzy 10 which I haven't really used much since I got the MAS 46 which is so very much better sounding. I had the Wizzy up on an amp stand, and except for the super annoying bumped mids on the Wizzy that I couldn't even roll off with pretty extreme eq (I'd forgotten how great this speaker is to schlep but how ugly it sounds) it worked with the Remic nicely.
But the Remic I used with the Notch filter on the Focus and again I was able to get a lot of gain before feedback with the Remic. Enough to play just mic (I tested it with no pickup and with pickup mixed in) THere was bleed from the loud bar I could hear it clearly thru the speaker,

but the Remic has two little sound channels: one the points out across the face of the bass and one channel that points straight down thru the foam to the face of the bass. The sound you get definitely has room bleed but the sound it picks up from the bass is so much louder that it overcomes the Bleed.

THe DPA 4099 picks up a little circle of sound that includes everything bouncing off the face (room bleed) and anything from the bass that fits in that circle. But the Remic picks up both a direct sound off the surface of the instrument (contact style but not quite contact:the mic is in foam an inch away) plus the mini omni pattern from the area you place the mic in (under the tail piece or between the bridge legs or under the fingerboard. The result is A LOT more usable large condenser type sound (lush, fat,distinct, rich, full spectrum).
Last night I had a sound (in a super harsh environment) that had enough acoustic mic juice to really make it worth it...It was a gig that I would normally NEVER use a mic in. The Drummer kept complimenting me on the fat bass sound and even though I could hear the bar noise coming out of the speaker between sets, when we were playing it was really nice. For example we played Nardis and hitting those big open E's and open A's sounded great and acoustic and complex even in that ugly sonic environment.
Doug at Grace wrote to me to tell me that he sent the Felix yesterday and I happened to check out Graces web site...John Pattituci has a quote there and high praise for the Felix, he is using it to blend his signal and says it is a great box.
 
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One other thing....I think the title of this thread is a misnomer because it is really the RED Recording Remic that I am interested in and that has application for upright bassists handling their own sound for the most part. THe GREEN mic the 5400LB which is in the title of this thread is NOT the same mic. I have both and will try both with the FELIX but the green mic is made for amplifying string quartets playing with hard rock groups in stadiums and while it has WAY more signal before feedback it also sounds worse then a pickup by itself. (thru my gear) Thor says it can be eq'd with a good board (how it is made to be used) and hopefully the Felix will work magic with it, but it is the RED 5400 Recording Model that I am smitten with. (earlier in this thread several people called it just right from the recrded examples alone....)
 
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Hi Im selling the Remic Green mic. Might be useful to someone playing in loud situations (I can see slap or folk or bluegrass players using it) High Feedback resistance, PM me.
 

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flatback said:
One other thing....I think the title of this thread is a misnomer because it is really the RED Recording Remic that I am interested in and that has application for upright bassists handling their own sound for the most part. THe GREEN mic the 5400LB which is in the title of this thread is NOT the same mic. I have both and will try both with the FELIX but the green mic is made for amplifying string quartets playing with hard rock groups in stadiums and while it has WAY more signal before feedback it also sounds worse then a pickup by itself. (thru my gear) Thor says it can be eq'd with a good board (how it is made to be used) and hopefully the Felix will work magic with it, but it is the RED 5400 Recording Model that I am smitten with. (earlier in this thread several people called it just right from the recrded examples alone....)
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Piro,
Love the sound with the Remic Red and the Felix, is it not possible to EQ the Remic Green with the Grace? If that's the case, then I can't imagine that I'd want one of the Greens.

Ric
 
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Truth is Rick, I didn't try THAT hard. The Green takes much more of its sound from the Contact sound which isn't what I wanted in the first place. Also I play Jazz where the specific sound that I am going for is necessarily nuanced in favor of my playing ( It really helps me if I am inspired by the sound I am hearing) but the Green mic wis designed to mic string sections playing with Rock musicians. For that it may well be that having a usable mic sound even if it is not perfect might be a whole lot better then the alternative. Also for more percussive applications like slap? I don't know.
I am selling this mic to get the Felix. I think the Felix is a must have piece of equipment based on my two weeks with it. (The Felix like the MAS Cab makes such a difference on its own that, at least for me, I have to reevaluate all of it...With those two and the Remic or another good mic (there are lots that sound great with the Felix) so many Pickups become viable as part of the sound. It starts to matter less what pickup and more what mic/preamp/cab...and then there are powered speakers of which many sound excellent)
 
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....yeah the Felix did not work magic with it, for my application thru my equipment and my ears....but it might work for someone else thru their equipment and for their application and needs...and ears...
 
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flatback said:
I am selling this mic to get the Felix. I think the Felix is a must have piece of equipment based on my two weeks with it. (The Felix like the MAS Cab makes such a difference on its own that, at least for me, I have to reevaluate all of it...With those two and the Remic or another good mic (there are lots that sound great with the Felix) so many Pickups become viable as part of the sound. It starts to matter less what pickup and more what mic/preamp/cab...and then there are powered speakers of which many sound excellent)
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Agreed, the Felix makes a world of difference, no matter what you plug into it.
 
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I am returning to this thread to take back at least some of the rather harsh comments I made regarding the Schertler. Listening back to it, it does sound rather good for a bridge pickup, and better than many of the piezo pickups I tried. It definitely delivers a very usable sound, so much even that I am considering buying one myself to use with my Schoeps mic in loud settings, together with a Grace Felix preamp that I just ordered (a black one). So consider this a rectification of my earlier post and many thanks to Anton again for posting the soundclips.

BTW: Anton, it seems that your blog is down. Are you planning on resurrecting it?

Cheers,
Vincent
 
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Bob (cacophonic) did this to find the best spot for the Stat B. I use the 2 element version and tried twisting the G side element kind of like this. Huge difference in sound. The normal way can get a compressed sound...but a little futsing and then an adequate wedge and there are a lot of other sounds available....WHen I play with a really loud band and have to turn way up, the Stat sounds more electricy, but at that point I don't mind so much.
 

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flatback said:
Bob (cacophonic) did this to find the best spot for the Stat B. I use the 2 element version and tried twisting the G side element kind of like this. Huge difference in sound. The normal way can get a compressed sound...but a little futsing and then an adequate wedge and there are a lot of other sounds available....WHen I play with a really loud band and have to turn way up, the Stat sounds more electricy, but at that point I don't mind so much.
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Thanks for the tip, Flatback! I will make sure I will experiment with the orientation of the pickup.
 
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flatback said:
Hi Im selling the Remic Green mic. Might be useful to someone playing in loud situations (I can see slap or folk or bluegrass players using it) High Feedback resistance, PM me.
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I have been playing with this contact mic on the past few gigs (thru the Headway and FOH until the Felix comes next week) I am NOT selling this mic. Truth is at home when no one else is playing it is nearly impossible to get a true good sound out of it (the Red is just so much more natural and delicious sounding) BUT n the gig where it counts this thing (and its mid bump) really shines, particularly mixed with a pickup. Last night I played such a gig (outdoors PA support) and for the first set I ran it into the PA and for the second I gave the PA a mixed signal from the Headway...Either way it added really nice mic presence with lots of feedback free volume and no perceptible ugly midbump. Having it on the H clamp makes placement essentially where ever you want it and I could have it up pretty loud and still turn the bass toward the floor sitting MAS 46 (tilted up toward me) without squealing.
I think that unlike the violin and cello Remics the bass version really needs the H clamp. Especially with this contact emphasized version. The thing about this Remic is that it is not 100% contact mic, it is both an air mic and a contact mic (I am not sure but I think that it is the same capsule as the Red one only turned toward the table) the result is that where you place it on the table and how hard you press it against makes a big difference. The H clamp makes this all really easy to do and the advantage of having a mic that isnt entirely one thing or the other makes for a good balance (especially with a pickup solidifying the center of pitch)....
 
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JAKBOUND said:
I have the red, and am looking forward to recording the Laborie with it. I guess the full circle in the Wan will remain the electric band bass.
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Remic designed the Green with better fedback resistance. I can attest to that. Based on my limited experience with both mics, I could see performing onstage with the Red in settings where you didn't need a backline amp or used smaller cabinets like Adam, Piro and Nathan do. Blending the Red with a pickup is another solution.

Ric
 

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