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This isnt so much as a bass question or a response, but a kind of question regarding grunge. Im 24yrs old and listen to older and newer music. I love Mastodon and some music now and I love Van Halen and the Beatles, but I never understood grunge.

I think it is a bad/ watered down punk rock-esq with a kind of bob dylan/ john lennon lyrics. Its not all thats great. I think Alice and Chains is ok, but Nirvana sucks.Its a couple of slowed down punk music with bad lyrics that the singer repeats while whining.

Please someone give me some fresh approach to this.
 
jag872002 said:
This isnt so much as a bass question or a response, but a kind of question regarding grunge. Im 24yrs old and listen to older and newer music. I love Mastodon and some music now and I love Van Halen and the Beatles, but I never understood grunge.

I think it is a bad/ watered down punk rock-esq with a kind of bob dylan/ john lennon lyrics. Its not all thats great. I think Alice and Chains is ok, but Nirvana sucks.Its a couple of slowed down punk music with bad lyrics that the singer repeats while whining.

Please someone give me some fresh approach to this.

I think it helps to have been living when grunge came out to appreciate it. Comparing it to the music it replaced explains a lot of the appreciation for it.
 
This isnt so much as a bass question or a response, but a kind of question regarding grunge. Im 24yrs old and listen to older and newer music. I love Mastodon and some music now and I love Van Halen and the Beatles, but I never understood grunge.

I think it is a bad/ watered down punk rock-esq with a kind of bob dylan/ john lennon lyrics. Its not all thats great. I think Alice and Chains is ok, but Nirvana sucks.Its a couple of slowed down punk music with bad lyrics that the singer repeats while whining.

Please someone give me some fresh approach to this.

I'm almost 20 years older than you. I "came up" during the height of grunge, in Madison, WI where Butch Vig (the producer of Nirvana's big album) was from. For about ten years before Nirvana made it big I saw and played the same stage with tons of bands that sounded exactly like them. So when I first heard Nirvana they sounded like all the bands I had seen a zillion times and I truly didn't get why they made it big and all those other bands went nowhere.

In other words, I pretty much agree 100% with your assessment. Just shrug your shoulders and move on - that's what I did. And of course, I'm 42 years old, playing Mustang Sally in bowling alleys for a hundred bucks a night and no one has ever heard of me.
 
Like Unrep said, the late-80's sucked musically except for a few bright spots like some good hip hop like Beastie Boys and good rap like NWA. The hair band phase was over by then and it was like things were locked and loaded for something to happen and along camp Nirvana and Pearl Jam which were so different that they made a huge splash musically. The Chili Peppers breakout album came out in '91 and so things were changing in the early-90's for the better.

I'm 39.
 
Its not that i'm angery with it, its just i dont understand why it was so big.

Rock music had gotten stale and very commercial in the late 80s with the hair bands. Nirvana was a breath of fresh air at the time. No spandex, no slick processed sound, no Aquanet. Back to basics. They were just in the right place at the right time.

I'm 50 now. I was 30 when Nirvana came out. I liked it a lot.
 
There wasn't that much technical skill there, but I really love Nirvana. I think its because they're one of those bands that just make sense to me. With witty, yet relevant lyrics and a back to basics approach that opposed the overly technical hair metal that had just gone out of style.
 
Its not that i'm angery with it, its just i dont understand why it was so big.

This is your answer:

I think it helps to have been living when grunge came out to appreciate it. Comparing it to the music it replaced explains a lot of the appreciation for it.

When you think the late 80's and early 90's was polluted with this:

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The hard rock / metal scene was ruled by Metallica, Guns n Roses and Van Hagar, all of which were long standing hair bands with flame-throwing rock shows and predictable guitar-heavy solos.

Nothing of substance was happening. The appeal of Nirvana / AIC / Pearl Jam / Soundgarden came from the fact that these guys just got on stage, played their music and had no pretense. They were just.. them. Nirvana actually turned down the chance to tour with GNR because they didn't want to be associated with 'that' genre. They wanted to be the antithesis of the glam and the excess that was their predecessors.

In a way, you had to be there. I know a lot of people who don't get it. to that I say, meh, find the thing that does and focus on that.
 
They were just in the right place at the right time.

Like I said, I'd seen a zillion bands just like them for years prior to them making it big. It wasn't them - it was the marketing folks that decided America had had enough of the electronic "music" they'd been fed for a decade or more and decided to feed them something loud and angry with a human drummer. Nirvana's success had nothing to do with Kurt KaBang. It was a marketing decision.

At least we got Dave Grohl outta the deal, that guy is a genuine rocker.
 
I think that to get Nirvana, you have to get what Frank Black was doing with the Pixies first. I think the Pixies sound was something that wasn't easily approachable for the masses, with a few exceptions ("Here Comes Your Man," "Where Is My Mind," "Wave of Mutilation"). Kurt Cobain admitted in an interview that when he wrote "Smells Like Teen Spirit," he was trying to imitate the sound the Pixies were making years before. The fact that he's hands down prettier than Black Francis and was able to get close to that dynamic sound is my theory on why they made it farther than a lot of other bands who were making the same kind of noise. Never underestimate the power of a good looking frontman. That's my theory anyway. That, and the devotion of their existing fans being shown in the media in the days surrounding Cobain's untimely death. The Pixies thing brought them to the top, the fans and the media hype kept them there.

What I could never understand was why Dinosaur Jr. doesn't get any love.
 
I was in my mid teens when Nirvana came out. It honestly changed me, up to that point I was just another redneck country bumpkin. Kurts lyric just hit home, Id never seen anyone play drums like Dave prior, and the barefoot jumping Kris was just one cool cat in my eyes. My first tattoo was the seahorse logo done by a friend without a gun. Later I covered it up and even later got a portrait of Kurt on my shoulder blade.

It didnt stop with Nirvana either, I listened to alot of bands from that era. Some of my other favorites in no particular order are: Meat Muppets, Sonic Youth, Melvins, Pearl Jam, Jawbreaker, STP, AiC, Soundgarden, Mother Love Bone, Green River, Temple of the Dog etc.

This generation of music is what also turned me on to punk and other types of music. Mostly because Id read everything I could about these guys and any band they mentioned as a influence or played a gig with Id rush out and BUY A CD!!, rember those things little round disc's with a shiny back?
 
Listen to early AIC or Soundgarden, it's basically metal with less wiggidy wahs and more meaningful and relevant lyrics. The paradigm shift was from boys who looked like girls, sounded like girls and sang or preformed primarily for girls to boys who looked like boys, sang like boys, and sang primarily for the benefit of boys. Music got way more masculine in the 90s, and now in the 2010s its going back to feminine with all the limp wristed indie "rock" music about feelings and trendy haircuts and thrift store clothes. It's as transparent and materialistic as the worst of the 80s, without the mainstay musicianship that was part of the 80s. There's no modern Slash or EVH. No one can bother to play like that when they get famous by just looking like someone else.
 
Like I said, I'd seen a zillion bands just like them for years prior to them making it big. It wasn't them - it was the marketing folks that decided America had had enough of the electronic "music" they'd been fed for a decade or more and decided to feed them something loud and angry with a human drummer. Nirvana's success had nothing to do with Kurt KaBang. It was a marketing decision.

At least we got Dave Grohl outta the deal, that guy is a genuine rocker.

I disagree. I think Kurt Cobain was a very talented guy and I love Nirvana. Maybe where you lived there were a thousand bands like that, but I lived in California during the 80s and Virginia the first couple of years of the 90s and there was nothing like that there.

And it is about time the "marketing folks" found some good music again. Rock music has been stale and boring for about 10 years now.
 
Unrepresented said:
I think it helps to have been living when grunge came out to appreciate it. Comparing it to the music it replaced explains a lot of the appreciation for it.

Yeah, I might second this. I grew up in Florida in the eighties and nineties, the death metal capital of the world then. Lol. But my take on it is that you have to put it into context. The music industry was bloated with over produced garbage and pop music. Our what I refer to as Contemporary Rock And Pop. (CRAP) j/k... Sort of. Lol.

The grunge music scene came along to break a lot of that up. It showed people that, well maybe mostly musicians, that you don't have to be a great musician to make music that moves people. The polar opposite would be someone like Steve Via, while a great musician, never quite was able to communicate to larger audiences. IMHO. But the right combination of three chords can change the world.

It's just another raw form of music that emotes it's message. What are you listening to btw? (sorry for short hand. On phone)

I also like Matadon. I was lucky enough to see them about two weeks into their band, at that time minus a member. I go back and listen to old grunge style music from time to time, some badmotorfinger our Melvins, but I have pretty broad musical interests these days and grunge stuff is more of an random happening.
 
And it is about time the "marketing folks" found some good music again. Rock music has been stale and boring for about 10 years now.

Well we can disagree about that first point, but I'm gonna high five the hell out of you on that last point. I wish to God I had some idea of where Rock needs to go next, cause the crap I'm hearing today isn't doing it for me...

...and I'd love to become rich and famous.
 
I too came of age at the height of the grunge wave. I was more into the "lesser" bands in terms of popularity. Stuff like Mudhoney, My Sister's Machine and Gruntruck spring to memory. Also more props here for the Pixies.
 
I think there isnt really any new bands out there now adays. I cant really think of any new bands in the last few years. korn in the early 2000's and nickelback in the late 2000's. who is out there that is new now, maybe mastodon
 
I was a teenager in the early '90s, and I can tell you why "grunge" was both a success and a failure. In those days, you could listen to what is now called "terrestrial" radio or watch MTV (this is when MTV actually played music videos). That's how everyone got music, new and old.

At that time, popular music was pretty easily classified. You had classic rock, oldies, soft rock, and "modern" rock (more about that later) on the radio. MTV was very cutting edge for many reasons because they played rap, pop songs, metal, hard rock, punk, and "alternative" (it was called "college" rock by Rolling Stone in those days). Aside from rap and "alternative", most rock music was beginning to sound the same. Basically, a bunch of LA hair bands with a formula of that was a bit rock, a bit punk, and failing at both. Of course, they all had a programmed "power ballad" to increase their appeal. Most of the music was based upon image as much as sound, and both were poor. GNR kind of broke that mold, but not to any significant extent. Bands like Jane's Addiction and The Pixies never got on mainstream radio, and barely got on MTV.

Then came Nirvana. I remember the first time I saw "Smells like Teen Spirit" on MTV. It was actually on Headbanger's Ball. They looked and sounded like...your friends in their parent's garage. But they could write songs...well IMO. Granted, Alice In Chains was on MTV sooner, but they got REALLY popular after Nirvana hit. Regardless, these bands were unlike anything on the radio.

When I think of "grunge", I basically associate it with Nirvana, AIC, Soundgarden, Screaming Trees,and Pearl Jam. The first four are spectacular. Pearl Jam rode the wave and had catchy songs, but wasn't in the same class as the first four. But the attention got placed upon Seattle, and a lot of bands from the area got attention that probably wasn't earned. Then the labels got involved, and tons of bands were signed who could copy the sound. Those latter bands are what grunge became- prefab junk.

I'm not surprised that "grunge" now has a negative connotation. Most of it was crap. But for those of us that were alive at the time, it was special because it was a slap in the face to the music establishment. No flash, no image, just rock. I was living in Dallas at the time, and our local "grunge" bands were many, but the Toadies and Tripping Daisy stood out IMO as bands that wouldn't have been heard of outside of the area if it weren't for Nivanva et al. and deserved to be.

I think it's hard to relate to it now if you weren't aware of it then because music is much more accessible now. It was like the second coming of punk rock, except the bands could play their instruments a bit better.
 
OP you're taking things backwards.
Without Nirvana, none of these punk bands you seem to cherish would get any following.

Before grunge, punk was considered dead and 6 feet under. Rock consisted of polished, rehashed old stuff only parents listened to.

It's one of these things you can't really understand if you weren't there.
Besides, if you think Nirvana is watered down, you should listen to albums other than Nevermind and Unplugged.