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No more G&L weight requests

RocketMusic

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As you may know, last year G&L decided to offer a premium service to accommodate weight requests. I was really excited when they did because that's a serious benefit to a lot of folks. Folks with physical issues or even just a strong personal preference would happily pay a little bit more to know they'd end up with a bass in their desired weight range.

Unfortunately, this has turned into a nightmare on my end. Folks who happily pay a premium to hit a certain weight target are rightly not very excited about accepting a bass that is even slightly over the target. I would say G&L is making a genuine effort to hit the targets, but they are not to the point where they will start over if an instrument ends up a couple ounces overweight. They're of the mindset that close enough is good enough. Fair and reasonable positions on both sides of the fence, but unfortunately they're also diametrically opposed.

So I've been stuck in the middle with customers agonizing over whether to accept a bass that's heavier than they want and G&L saying "c'mon, we got it real close." What's a nice dealer like me to do? I'm not going to foist a bass on somebody who doesn't want it, and I'm not going to return a bass to G&L over a couple of ounces. So I've been having the pleasure of tying up my money in an instrument that would have been a sure sale if things had gone according to plan.

Given what has turned out to be the lose-lose nature of this, I'm just going to remove myself from the situation. I will work my tail off to satisfy the existing orders with this service involved, but I won't be accepting any more special orders with weight requests.

If you need a bass with a certain weight, I can help satisfy you a few ways. First, on my website I post the weights of all the basses that I have in stock. Second, I regularly share the weight information that G&L provides on their "Available List". Third, if you absolutely have to have a light bass with a specific set of features: Empress is the way to go for the body wood. Outside of that, I'm unable to make any guarantees.

A sincere thanks to everyone who has gone down this bumpy road with me over the past few months. You've all been troopers about it, and I really do appreciate your patience and understanding along the way.
 
Good call. :thumbsup:

Moreover, G&L should carefully consider a business practice that portrays them as a "close enough is good enough" kinda company. I'm guessing they don't see themselves that way...and for good reason.

Some people take weight seriously, and some people just roll their eyes about it. I know I was in that latter camp for a long time, it's an easy position to hold when you're young and immortal. I do take it seriously now because I have so many customers who care about it. I don't how G&L really feels about it, I'm just reading into their willingness to ship me multiple basses that are close to (but not quite) hitting the mark.
 
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I am one who takes weight seriously. I'm in my late 60's with some arthritis in my hands. If it wasn't for my empress 7.5lb LB-100 with J width neck i would likely no longer be playing. And i use a 4" wide strap. I do remember my young immortal days when bass guitar weight was not even a consideration (or with my big Kustom tuck-and-roll amp). But it is a reality for me now and lightweight instruments and amps have made it possible for me to continue playing.
 
Good call. :thumbsup:

Moreover, G&L should carefully consider a business practice that portrays them as a "close enough is good enough" kinda company. I'm guessing they don't see themselves that way...and for good reason.

I'm sure you're right. But I am also sure that if you special ordered a bass from me and stipulated "no more than 8 pounds", and I made a bass that was 8 pounds and 2 oz, I would roll my eyes if you refused the bass. And, if I were Greg (and I am NOT speaking for Greg.... I said if I were Greg) I would also roll my eyes if I had ordered it for the customer and the customer refused it.

2 ounces is virtually zero weight to even the most sensitive shoulder. In fact, I would bet I could sneak up behind you and put a 2 ounce weight on your shoulder and you wouldn't even realize it was there..... unless I had to knock that chip off to put it there. :D

(I'm not saying you have a chip on your shoulder. I just made for a funny joke...…. to me anyway.)

So, IN MY VIEW, if G&L is able to make an 8 lb 2 oz bass when an 8 lb bass has been ordered, close enough IS good enough.

You will not enjoy an 8 pound bass for a 4 hour gig and hate an 8 pound 2 oz bass at the same gig. You literally will notice zero difference.

The opinions stated by Twofer are his and his alone. They do not represent the opinions of Rocket Music or G&L.
 
Hey RM
I am not a customer, but have recommended your shop to people looking for G&Ls
First
I don’t think if people are honest 1or 2 oz off the request is a deal breaker
2nd
I must be in the minority cause at pushing 67 the weight of my bass has never been an issue so I can’t say I know of were they speak
3rd
The weight request is it spec’d to be +\- a given amount? If it is and the bass meets that spec is should be acceptable
Anyway I give you credit for explaining your situation and I agree with your stance on the matter
I do not anticipate buying another G&L but if I ever do I would like to work with you.
As you seem to be a fine upstanding young man
Best wishes
Duke
 
So, IN MY VIEW, if G&L is able to make an 8 lb 2 oz bass when an 8 lb bass has been ordered, close enough IS good enough.

You will not enjoy an 8 pound bass for a 4 hour gig and hate an 8 pound 2 oz bass at the same gig. You literally will notice zero difference.

I don't know how it could be said any better than this.

I would challenge anyone who'd like to try to strap on two identical basses one being 2 ozs heavier than the other and tell me which one is heavier without it simply being blind dumb luck.
 
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I'm sure you're right. But I am also sure that if you special ordered a bass from me and stipulated "no more than 8 pounds", and I made a bass that was 8 pounds and 2 oz, I would roll my eyes if you refused the bass. And, if I were Greg (and I am NOT speaking for Greg.... I said if I were Greg) I would also roll my eyes if I had ordered it for the customer and the customer refused it.

2 ounces is virtually zero weight to even the most sensitive shoulder. In fact, I would bet I could sneak up behind you and put a 2 ounce weight on your shoulder and you wouldn't even realize it was there..... unless I had to knock that chip off to put it there. :D

(I'm not saying you have a chip on your shoulder. I just made for a funny joke...…. to me anyway.)

So, IN MY VIEW, if G&L is able to make an 8 lb 2 oz bass when an 8 lb bass has been ordered, close enough IS good enough.

You will not enjoy an 8 pound bass for a 4 hour gig and hate an 8 pound 2 oz bass at the same gig. You literally will notice zero difference.

The opinions stated by Twofer are his and his alone. They do not represent the opinions of Rocket Music or G&L.


Nice straw man, dude.
 
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I have to agree. Seems to me that getting it within 4-6oz. +/- is very reasonable.

6 ounces to a weight sensitive person is quite a bit. I build my own basses, and if you know the weight of the wood you’re going to use, the other parts are VERY predictable - predicting the weight at an early point in the process is not rocket science, it’s simple addition. You cnc the body and neck, weight them, and add in a well known number for the finish and other parts. If things don’t add up, you stop before you do anything else, and that wood can still be used for another build. It’s not that hard.
 
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Greg is the best dealer I've ever worked with and there have been a bunch! Thanks for this forum Greg, and all you do for us.

I applaud G&L for even attempting this at all - them offering an upcharge to reduce the weight is something I've wanted for many years from all instrument companies. The only other company I know of that will accept a target weight is Mike Lull and that has made me a huge fan of his. Obviously weight is only one part of a great bass, but it matters to me.

Weight is also a funny thing in basses. I don't know why but certain basses I've had for years feel heavier than they are, and others feel lighter than they are. I have a couple of 1997 G&L L-2000s, both narrow necks. One is 8.0 lbs and feels really light, the other is 8.6 lbs and it somehow feels like it's around 9.5 lbs when I first pick it up. On a strap they both feel fine so I'm happy.

I see really promising things in the industry around weight reduction, it seems like companies are finally starting to understand how much people care about this.
 
It wasn't intended that way. In fact, I agreed with you.

Gonna duck out if this one. The guys at Rocket bend over backwards for us. And I don't want to get into a food fight that might harm them in any way.


My apologies for offending you.

Not offended in the least. Only pointing out that you are introducing and opining on specifics that are not necessarily representative of the cited challenges.

I agree Greg is awesome.
 
I've just come to realize that my position in the middle is untenable.

While I said above it isn't that hard to build things to a weight spec, that's aimed at the factory - the folks taking requests and building (hopefully) to those specs. I agree with you also - being a middleman where the customer wants x, and the factory produces y in response is no place to be.
 
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Not sure how I missed that G&L are doing the 3+2 headstocks & this is crazy light for a 5-string:

Rocket Music - GLL2500HoneyburstEmpress

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I've had that one in stock a long time, too. I've reached the "make me a reasonable offer" point on a lot of my more stale G&L inventory. I want to move it along and get some fresh stuff in stock. So if anyone is after a G&L on the cheap and I have it in stock - PM me an offer!

Speaking of fresh G&L stock. I just received 4 of the new "Fullerton Standard" and "Fullerton Deluxe" basses. These are fixed spec items that can be had for about $100-$150 less than if you were to order the exact same specs as a custom build. G&L has settled on a few popular color and fingerboard combinations for the JB and LB-100 models, and they're going to make a BUNCH of these and pass along the savings incurred by making them in large batches rather than one-offs. I'll create a new thread about this once I've had a chance to absorb all the details and post the basses on my website.
 
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