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NOBD: Am I being too picky?

What should I do?

  • Nothing, it adds to the character of the bass

    Votes: 82 40.2%
  • Nothing, buy a new tuner and pay for it myself

    Votes: 37 18.1%
  • Get seller to pay for tuner/refund

    Votes: 10 4.9%
  • Nothing, beat myself up for not spotting it in the pictures

    Votes: 40 19.6%
  • Carrots

    Votes: 35 17.2%

  • Total voters
    204
  • Poll closed .
By 'fueling the fire' I meant that I was done with the topic but then got worked up again talking about it. I get everybody's point. Bent tuner is not a minor cosmetic thing for me so maybe that's where our difference lies.

Sorry about that then. I feel your pain. I loaned out a prized bass to my GF's brother once in a stupid generous moment. It was 20 years old and in absolutely pristine condition when I let him take it. And I got enough sworn oaths from him (all worthy of Beowulf) that he'd take exceptionally good care of it.

When I got it back a few months later it had major buckle rash and a cymbal gouge on the headstock. When I asked him what the story was with that he replied: Hey! I'm sorry man. But you know how it goes. ____happens sometimes.

I think I might have blacked out for a moment at that point.

The only reason I'm not currently serving time for manslaughter is because he is my GF's brother,. Anybody else would have met his maker two minutes after I opened the case.
 
Sorry about that then. I feel your pain. I loaned out a prized bass to my GF's brother once in a stupid generous moment. It was 20 years old and in absolutely pristine condition when I let him take it. And I got enough sworn oaths from him worthy of Beowulf he'd take exceptionally good care of it.

When I got it back a few months later it had major buckle rash and a cymbal gouge on the headstock. When I asked him what the story was with that he replied: Hey! I'm sorry man. But you know how it goes. ____happens sometimes.

I think I might have blacked out for a moment at that point.

The only reason I'm not currently serving time for manslaughter is because he is my GF's brother,. Anybody else would have met his maker two minutes after I opened the case.
No worries. Sorry to hear that. I would have a hard time controlling myself too in that scenario
 
Yeah, kinda. It depends. But if it was something pictured and you didnt spot and or ask about it, it's on you.

I mean, dont you want the bass to look aged and a little beat anyway? Whats the big deal?
See a couple of posts prior... It's not so much the damage itself that's bothering me but the fact it wasn't mentioned. Yes the bass is relic'd from the factory already, but I draw the line at gouges in the neck or missing parts. Oh yeah, and bent tuners. If this would be a 67 Fender P bass we are talking about, different story.
 
I don't see where I'm fueling any fires at all. "As is" is very common whenever selling something used. You'd be kind of crazy not to include it these days with so many people playing games when they buy things.

I don't know many people who describe in meticulous detail every single tiny thing about something they're selling. Besides, your definition of "like new" or "very good" or "shows signs of normal wear and tear" may be very different than mine. So you post a bunch of pictures, give a description that says enough, calls out any major issue such as something (i.e. pickup, electrinics, etc.) that isn't functioning, and tack on "as is" to cover any minor things that may or may not bug somebody, and (most) experienced used buyers are good with that.

To be honest, if you took it to a court or mediator, the most they'd do is have the seller give you $50 or so off IF you could establish the seller was doing something deliberately dishonest. On something as minor as that, they'd most likely tell you to "get real - it's a used bass" and dismiss it out of hand.

And as I said, I'm not passing any judgement here. Everything I ever bought new is close to as mint as it comes no matter how long I've owned it. So I can understand you not being happy since you obviously take as good care of your stuff as I do mine. My point was that "used" is used. And even "like new" isn't the same thing as new.

If that somehow offends you, I guess I'll have to live with that. :)
He might have meant the fire to get this thread to 7 pages.

We... CAN... DO IT!!!
 
Should I leave it be or replace it? Should I eat crow for missing the damage in the pictures? Is the seller at fault at all?

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Is the tuning machine broken or does it still function as it should? Like if it still tunes the string leave it, you bought "hardcore aged" instrument, so what if the tuner doesn't look perfect, neither does the rest of the bass.

The seller listed this item "as-is" as well as provided pictures of the tuning machine in question prior to you purchasing the bass, you don't really have a recourse as far as getting the seller to pay for a new tuner.

Stop getting hung up on aesthetics and just play the darn thing
 
See a couple of posts prior... It's not so much the damage itself that's bothering me but the fact it wasn't mentioned. Yes the bass is relic'd from the factory already, but I draw the line at gouges in the neck or missing parts. Oh yeah, and bent tuners. If this would be a 67 Fender P bass we are talking about, different story.

Ah I see. yeah I see your point. well, maybe the seller didnt even notice it.....
 
So I just received my Sandberg Forty Eight in metallic red, hardcore aged. I actually sold the bass 8 months ago and found it for sale again online 2 weeks ago. The price was more or less for what I sold it for so I snatched it up. It was listed as 'as-is' but I didn't pay too much attention to that. I received the bass today and I noticed that the g-string tuner head is bent to a point where the chrome coating 'bubbled' and will eventually come off. Looking at the pictures in the listing, I can see the 'bubble' in one of the pictures but it's easier to see if you know what you're looking for and easily missed if you don't. The seller didn't mention this in the listing so now my question is, what should I do? I already messaged the seller and let him know about it. Given that the bass is hardcore aged, a new tuner will cost upwards of 100$. Should I leave it be or replace it? Should I eat crow for missing the damage in the pictures? Is the seller at fault at all?

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From a player perspective I'd say it is fine. I have a similar bend on the same tuner of my main jazz bass. The only annoying issue is that the business end of the stem (where the clover is riveted in) bent too and now there is just enough play/space so as to allow the clover lead to vibrate a bit. Amplified it makes no difference, though.
 
So I just received my Sandberg Forty Eight in metallic red, hardcore aged. I actually sold the bass 8 months ago and found it for sale again online 2 weeks ago. The price was more or less for what I sold it for so I snatched it up. It was listed as 'as-is' but I didn't pay too much attention to that. I received the bass today and I noticed that the g-string tuner head is bent to a point where the chrome coating 'bubbled' and will eventually come off. Looking at the pictures in the listing, I can see the 'bubble' in one of the pictures but it's easier to see if you know what you're looking for and easily missed if you don't. The seller didn't mention this in the listing so now my question is, what should I do? I already messaged the seller and let him know about it. Given that the bass is hardcore aged, a new tuner will cost upwards of 100$. Should I leave it be or replace it? Should I eat crow for missing the damage in the pictures? Is the seller at fault at all?

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To me, the things that jump out are "as is" and "hardcore aged." You happen to know that the tuner is not in the same condition as when you sold it, but if the bass was new to you, you might have just assumed it was part of being "hardcore aged." Also, there is the whole "as is" thing. I don't believe that anyone is at fault here.

FWIW, I have owned two aged/reliced basses that I bought as new, and I really didn't make any distinction between the wear that came from the manufacturer and the wear that I added to them (throguh using them) when I later sold them. It would have been had to distinguish that sort of thing anyway.
 
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Is the tuning machine broken or does it still function as it should? Like if it still tunes the string leave it, you bought "hardcore aged" instrument, so what if the tuner doesn't look perfect, neither does the rest of the bass.

The seller listed this item "as-is" as well as provided pictures of the tuning machine in question prior to you purchasing the bass, you don't really have a recourse as far as getting the seller to pay for a new tuner.

Stop getting hung up on aesthetics and just play the darn thing

And that's how we get to 7 pages
 
Ok, I guess I'll be more careful next time. At least it's only cosmetic. Seller responded saying that they received the bass with the bent tuner. It didn't impact the functionality so they didn't mention it...

This, plus It was listed as-is. Pretty fair tbh.

When things are listed as is, always ask questions. I don't think this is a big deal. You liked the bass enough to buy it back, don't stress over it
 
If it's bent to the point that it affects the tuning then replace it or fix it. I'd probably remove it, put it in a smooth jawed vice, tweak it back and use it. If they charge a bundle for the aged version you could get a non-aged tuner maybe age it up yourself. There are articles on aging hardware and probably videos as well.
 
This is ridiculous, Jaco played with 4 bent tuners and tube amp watts are louder.

Actually what is interesting is the buying something back as I did the same about 10 years ago... sold a Gibson 6 string guitar (ok I admit it, I also play guitar sometimes) and kind of regretted it, then 6 months later it appeared back at the same price so I bought it. Now here's the spooky bit. When I got it back, it had a bent tuner...