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Not Loud Enough?
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I agree with the salesperson. That head and that cabinet should be enough, but an additional cab could be added if you really needed.
I also guess based on the band's comments that it won't be enough, and that the band will play too loud. I would take the ear plugs, but I don't see any reason a band cannot rehearse at reasonable levels. I would politely ask during rehearsal to reduce the levels and if that doesn't work, I'd probably not play with that group.
As far as gigs, if you're not getting PA support and it's a large venue, then you might need that second cab. But larger venues should have PA support and for smaller venues you'll be clobbering your audience.
Just my thoughts.
In any case, I hope you have a good time getting back into playing.
I also guess based on the band's comments that it won't be enough, and that the band will play too loud. I would take the ear plugs, but I don't see any reason a band cannot rehearse at reasonable levels. I would politely ask during rehearsal to reduce the levels and if that doesn't work, I'd probably not play with that group.
As far as gigs, if you're not getting PA support and it's a large venue, then you might need that second cab. But larger venues should have PA support and for smaller venues you'll be clobbering your audience.
Just my thoughts.
In any case, I hope you have a good time getting back into playing.
Thanks again for all the helpful advice. I am now hunting down a 2nd VX410.. I think the whole 'volume wars' thing is ridiculous too, hopefully things won't be as bad as they are making out. It's mostly the drummer who is saying I won't be loud enough.. this is what I'm up against..
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Without sounding like an "old guy", I would be really leary about a band that tells me, before they heard me, that a good sized rig is not enough.
You can ask them to turn down a little bit. Contrary to popular believe, amp volume doesn't increase penis size...
At shows, you should be going through a PA and be ok and for sound quality'd sake, they should bring the stage level down a bit... That's a recipe for feed back and all kinds of poopie.
At rehearsals... It always cracks me up to hear those bands in rooms next to my bands playing at stadium levels... +1 on the earplugs.
At shows, you should be going through a PA and be ok and for sound quality'd sake, they should bring the stage level down a bit... That's a recipe for feed back and all kinds of poopie.
At rehearsals... It always cracks me up to hear those bands in rooms next to my bands playing at stadium levels... +1 on the earplugs.
No need for an 8x10. If you're playing a show where you need the volume an 8x10 would provide then you should be going through a PA.
That reminds me of an old friend who said a similar thing relating to guys who drove Camaros and Firebirds!
She was right!
That's all you're up against?
The drummer in the band I am in does not have a double kick set but, other than that one drum, his set is about 5 times larger, and he has a big gong sitting on a stand behind him along with two large racks of various percussion doodads.That reminds me of an old friend who said a similar thing relating to guys who drove Camaros and Firebirds!
I live in Texas. Every time it see the wheel of a truck towering my car I feel the same.
If I saw a kit like that I would not even unpack my bass. But him telling me my amp wasnt loud enough before he heard it would have been reason enough for me to never even have seen his kit.
While we're talking about power and loudness, a few simple facts: in order to increase volume 3dB, you need double the power. That is, to increase volume from your 300W rig 3dB, you'd need 600W. This is not including the effect of increased speakers (double your cabinet), just looking at pure power. Btw, a 3dB increase in volume, although representing twice the power, is a just dicernable increase in loudness, not twice as loud. To discuss the difference between 400, 450, or 500 watts is really pointless.
To try to make this a little clearer, if you were to replace your 410 with another 410 cabinet with 4 ohms of impedance and similar sensitivity, your amp theoretically could deliver 500w rather than the 300w it's currently putting out to the 8 ohm cab you've got now. That would actually give you a barely dicernable volume boost. Whereas, getting the load to 4 ohms by adding a second identical cabinet to the one you have now would give you a significant volume boost.
Raf
To try to make this a little clearer, if you were to replace your 410 with another 410 cabinet with 4 ohms of impedance and similar sensitivity, your amp theoretically could deliver 500w rather than the 300w it's currently putting out to the 8 ohm cab you've got now. That would actually give you a barely dicernable volume boost. Whereas, getting the load to 4 ohms by adding a second identical cabinet to the one you have now would give you a significant volume boost.
Raf
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Ear plugs, compressor, DI, pedal board, 2nd cabinet, new amp head, new vehicle, PA system—it's a natural progression, right? I'd consider a Craigslist ad, too.
That's all you're up against?
Are you Michael Anthony by any chance? >_>
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My advice will go against the grain here.
GO rent (or even better, borrow) an old PLX3402 or something of that nature and and qty 2 of 810's, pre of your choice and go to the first rehearsal with that. After playing the first song, when they ask can you please turn that dang thing down, say "Well I DO have a 410 out in the car." They will be happy.
What you have should cover most anything unless the guitar players are crazy - of course that does cover 90 something percent guitar players...If you simply must, get an identical cab.
I used to play with a guitarist with two Marshall stacks and I had a 12 & a 15 with only 900 watts.
GO rent (or even better, borrow) an old PLX3402 or something of that nature and and qty 2 of 810's, pre of your choice and go to the first rehearsal with that. After playing the first song, when they ask can you please turn that dang thing down, say "Well I DO have a 410 out in the car." They will be happy.
What you have should cover most anything unless the guitar players are crazy - of course that does cover 90 something percent guitar players...If you simply must, get an identical cab.
I used to play with a guitarist with two Marshall stacks and I had a 12 & a 15 with only 900 watts.
If your 410 cab is 8 ohms- you can certainly grab another identical cab- which WILL give you a lot more volume... But. ......
I'd think, as others have already said, you'd get plenty of volume wroth what you've already got.
Surely they need to actually HEAR you before seriously making comments about your gear being too minimal.
I'd think, as others have already said, you'd get plenty of volume wroth what you've already got.
Surely they need to actually HEAR you before seriously making comments about your gear being too minimal.
That's all you're up against?
a drummer with two racks of percussion doodads is likely to be good enough to know what dynamics are and can play mezzo forte...that double kick rig with the tom pyramid is pretty indicative of someone that has no idea that drums can be played with dynamics...just my own personal observation...good luck, man
