Not Loud Enough?

[buldog5151bass]

If a guitarist wants (note I don't say "needs") 2 Marshall stacks, he likely is going to be a nightmare, and not very professional.

 

[digmeout]

Thanks again for all the helpful advice. I am now hunting down a 2nd VX410.. I think the whole 'volume wars' thing is ridiculous too, hopefully things won't be as bad as they are making out. It's mostly the drummer who is saying I won't be loud enough.. this is what I'm up against..
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Wow! Freaks and Geeks all over again. Nick had such a subtle touch.

 

[Jeff Scott]

Are you Michael Anthony by any chance? >_>

No, but he does have a bass I'd like to own, not to mention his bank account balance.

 

[Jeff Scott]

a drummer with two racks of percussion doodads is likely to be good enough to know what dynamics are and can play mezzo forte...that double kick rig with the tom pyramid is pretty indicative of someone that has no idea that drums can be played with dynamics...just my own personal observation...good luck, man

He actually is quite good about dynamics.

The keyboardist and guitard, on the other hand..............

 

[neptoon]

He actually is quite good about dynamics.

The keyboardist and guitard, on the other hand..............

they need to find their volume knob...

 

[Jeff Scott]

...and their ears........

 

[buldog5151bass]

Not worth it. I have plugs in all my bass cases, but I wouldn't stay with a band if they were a necessity all the time. I value my ears.

 

[obimark]

If I saw a kit like that I would not even unpack my bass. But him telling me my amp wasnt loud enough before he heard it would have been reason enough for me to never even have seen his kit.

Amen.

 

[Ewo]

My only advice is go get some ear protection, prior to your first rehearsal. Seriously.

+1,000,000,000,000... (Haven't read entire thread; maybe somebody already commented along the lines below.)

My recommendation: get Etymotic ER20s before you practice with this band. Ear Plug Superstore sells them. Natural sound (doesn't alter the mix), 15 dB down in level. Save up the coin for custom-molded plugs; more comfortable and completely unobtrusive. I like the ACS Pro17s. Both these plugs have virtually flat attenuation, and work well when you sing. (Minimal occlusion effect, IOW.)

Reference material:
http://www.talkbass.com/threads/hearing-loss-and-ear-plugs.445683/

A sound pressure meter is a relatively cheap gadget, and it'll prolly surprise you just how loud live electric music can be. Etymotic has chart on its site of how many hours a person can be exposed to various sound levels before his/her hearing begins to be damaged. It'll prolly surprise you, too. It did, me.

 

[David Jayne]

Any time someone says 'up against' or 'compete with' or similar I get a little sad inside. Music isn't supposed to be a war or some kind of competition. It's supposed to be a cooperative effort. Your drummer has essentially said that he's not going to cooperate. Yuck.

 

[Pimmsley]

It's not supposed to be war, but it is a jungle out there...

 

[JBNeedsBeer]

Ugh, I play in a band with 2 guitarists - rhythm uses a Mesa Triple Rec into a huge Mesa 4x12 and the lead uses an EVH 5150III (100 watts) into 2 Marshall 4x12's because it "sounds fuller." I had a nightmare of a time trying to keep up while using an SVT3-Pro into a Hartke 410TP. I had to switch to an Orange OBC410 and a Mesa 400+ to get within a ballpark and still had a hard time depending on how they were EQing their rig. The least I can use with them is a Genz Benz Streamliner 900. Any lesser amps just get lost, especially with how much the lead guy boosts his low end even while running a Fat Boost in his effects loop. It has required a lot of power to keep up even in a tiny rehearsal space. Live hasn't been much of a worry since I go DI and most soundmen get both of the guitarists to turn down significantly.

My next buy is definitely a bigger cab...... and probably some nicer earplugs.

 

[Jack]

If you have to 'compete' with anyone then you've already lost IME. Find another band.