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Now I'm mad

#64
vindy500 said:
they have a big smoking room, its called outside, one of the best ventilated spaces out there
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Man.

Brilliant.

Somebody give this man a prize.










The non-smokers should be going outside to enjoy the fresh air, not the stagnant B-O filled air of a bar. Watch out for those car emmisions though. Perhaps you should send them inside too.

:smug:
 
#67
bmc said:
The best part about smoking is that one out of every two smokers will die of a smoking related cause. Why should government stand in their way?
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As my wife is a smoker who has tried several times unsuccessfully to quit and was hooked at an early age, I take great offense that you would revel in her death and celebrate it as a positive thing.

You, sir, have no class.
 
#68
I have a couple of questions:

1. How would this affect smoking places, such as Hookah Bars? Are they no longer allowed to operate? Their sole purpose was to smoke; with the law on the books, what happends?

2. How is this going to affect the environment? Most of the smoke stayed inside of the bars. Now (all) of it is being forced outside. This seems like it would be just as dangerous as cars, if not worse.

3. (I forgot again :()
 
#69
Tons of Hookah bars should be closed down either way for the drug use in them, I know that goes on around here atleast.

I think a Hookah bar would be allowed to operate still though if permitted, I don't think anyone who goes to a Hookah bar won't want to be smoking or would mind it. It's like banning people to smoke in a cigar shop or things like that, where people are going there to smoke or buying things to smoke.
 
#70
Sonic_Death said:
Tons of Hookah bars should be closed down either way for the drug use in them, I know that goes on around here atleast.
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I work in a Hookah Bar; don't make such generalized comments. There are absolutely 0 drugs in my bar. Most Hookah bars would not tolerate drugs, it would put to much harm on them to lose their license.

I think a Hookah bar would be allowed to operate still though if permitted, I don't think anyone who goes to a Hookah bar won't want to be smoking or would mind it. It's like banning people to smoke in a cigar shop or things like that, where people are going there to smoke or buying things to smoke.
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That's what I figured, wasn't sure though. It said a ban against all public places. That definitely is a public place, though.

EDIT: I cut some of the fat.
 
#71
bmc said:
The best part about smoking is that one out of every two smokers will die of a smoking related cause. Why should government stand in their way?
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because their process of dying is very expensive and mostly publicly funded. i happen to be a person who opposes both smoking bans and publicly funded health care. in a system where there is publicly funded healthcare, it only makes perfect sense to limit cost factors. personally, i'd rather have the freedom to control both my own risk and my own funding, and i'd also like the freedom to donate more generously to help issues such as poverty, health care, and AIDS.

robb.
 
#72
markjazzbassist said:
i disagree. im all about banning smoking in public places, and banning trans fat. remember, being healthy is a good thing. so is living longer.
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The smoking issue aside, I find it scary that there are people willing to limit what I am able to eat. This should be a business decision based on customer wants and preferences, not your vision of a perfect populace. That is never a good thing. Personally, I have no desire to live longer in a society where my choices are limited based on someone else's construct of what I should and shouldn't do*.


Mike

* Within reason, people. I understand the "public good" argument for many limitations on my freedoms....but trans fat? This is ridiculous. Let ME decide if I want to live an unhealthy lifestyle.
 
#73
+1 banning things like smoking i agree with, that affects other people. fatty foods affect the person who buys it, that is all. if you are so dumb that you get fat and continue to eat fatty foods and not exercise to lose your fat, well then you deserve to be fat. you get to die early coz your artery's get blocked or whatnot. You're the one who cant do things because you get tired after climbing 3 steps. it shouldn't be up to the gocverment.
 
#74
vindy500 said:
+1 banning things like smoking i agree with, that affects other people. fatty foods affect the person who buys it, that is all.
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The problem is they're stating that the fatty foods eventually affect others where it hurts most, their pockets. Having to pay to support people with these health issues caused by trans fats does in turn affect everyone that pays taxes.

However, I'm 100% against it. I think it's time to ban soccer moms.
 
#75
I hope they cancel the ban and force people to smoke in public places even school classes. So we could get rid of those asthmatic kids that cost so much to society.

Imagine no non-smoking places : libraries, schools classes (for both professors and students), supermarket, swimming pools,... every where you could smoke, and now have an asthmatic kid, could you have the choice to stay at home.

As far as for bar tenders to have a fully separate smoke room, I don't see why not, as far as they don't force and put pressure on bartenders to go and serve in those rooms.

second hand smoking is not good.

I would go further (seriously) I would fine parents who smoke in the same room, car,... where they have kids (until the kids are 18 or 21, well until they are adults and can take the decisions no to go in the car...).
How is that you have to put security belt to your kid in the car to save his life, but you are allowed to poison him by smoking in the car.

Could I drive drunk in my car: my car is private space, It's not sure I'm going to kill somebody, so why not?

The ban law is based on risks to other people: on't do anything that is dangerous for the others.
If you don't like this principle,:
1) you can choose like for barmaid, non smokers to leave the place=country
2) I'm gonna drive 65miles per hour in front of your house and if you don't like it don't let your kids go out in the street and keep them at home

[EDIT]:
That is democracy too: you vote for people that will legislate for your own good. The majority (well not always) decides what is good for everybody, and then it goes. If you're not happy : write to your congressman, create your own party, win elections and change the law.
 
#76
Why does it seem like whenever this comes up that few non-smokers are interested in compromising?

It seems like everyone wants to jump on their soapbox and try and see who can come up with the most rediculous statement.

Compromise is simple. We have brains for a reason.

My favorite bar has a smoking and non-smoking area. They are separated by two doors and a short hallway. They have a pool table on both sides. A waitress will generally come through every 10 minutes or so, pick up glasses and take orders. Often the bartender will come back with the filled orders and smoke before going back out. They even have a fan to blow smoke away from the door and a couple of air purifiers. Definately a good investment. Even smokers hate when the air is thick. (at least I do)

This place is always packed. It gives people an easy choice to make and doesn't force anything on anyone. I just don't understand why this isn't considered the "way" to go about making everyone happy.
 
#78
SnoMan said:
Why does it seem like whenever this comes up that few non-smokers are interested in compromising?

It seems like everyone wants to jump on their soapbox and try and see who can come up with the most rediculous statement.

Compromise is simple. We have brains for a reason.

My favorite bar has a smoking and non-smoking area. They are separated by two doors and a short hallway. They have a pool table on both sides. A waitress will generally come through every 10 minutes or so, pick up glasses and take orders. Often the bartender will come back with the filled orders and smoke before going back out. They even have a fan to blow smoke away from the door and a couple of air purifiers. Definately a good investment. Even smokers hate when the air is thick. (at least I do)

This place is always packed. It gives people an easy choice to make and doesn't force anything on anyone. I just don't understand why this isn't considered the "way" to go about making everyone happy.
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Because then the anti-smoking crusaders won't have the "freedom" to waltz into the designated smoking room without getting a whiff of smoke; the smokers should all extinguish their butts and part like the Red Sea when their pristine lungs come through. It's all about their freedom, you see, not yours or smokers.
 

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