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NPD - will it replace my entire board? Possibly...

A friend (also the guitar player in one of my bands) has the Helix. He owns some very high-end stuff. Man, it blew me away at a recent rehearsal. I was prepared to roll my eyes and left there with my eyes wide open. :wideyed:

It sounds fantastic on guitar. He said I could borrow it whenever I wanted to check ok ut bass presets. I plan to soon.

Yeah, same here. A friend of mine (guitar player) just bought the Helix to replace his monster pedal board, and keeps telling me I need to come over and play around with the Pearce BC1 models. I have to admit, I'm more intrigued than I thought I would be.
 
How’s the headphone sound? Does it have a drum machine or any beats built in? How’s the looper?

I do a lot of practicing with just my Zoom B3 connected to the iMac. Having drums, even really basic beats, syncing to the looper is pretty sweet. No drift.

Getting good sound, like everybody says, takes some twiddling.

Noticing that the HD 500 is on sale at $400 new,...that’s the price of one Darkglass Alpha Omega Ultra.

I’m a Swiss Army knife kind of guy, ampless is my goal.
 
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Curious to see how you feel about that unit after using it for a while. On the one hand I don't use a lot of pedals (in my main band I don't use any) and I don't have the patience for figuring out the modeling-preset-tweaking-calibrating biz that these things seem to require. On the other hand, if you can get it to do what you want and it's all self-contained in one portable unit, that's a very appealing option. So go ahead on and enjoy that. I'll just sit here and wait for an update.

You and me both!

I have my reservations, certainly. I will have to plan it and know what sounds I need going in to a gig, and make sure I have them saved as patches. As of right now, spontaneous on the fly stuff won't be likely. This one takes planning.

I've used mine for the last year and a half, and still very happy with the sounds I get from it.

I don't use a lot of effects, but they are there when I need them, and they all sound good when I use them. Like I said, it pays off to spend a bit of time setting things up, not only through headphones with the PC Editor, but in the rehearsal room too. However, once you're set up, that's it, unless you're adding effects to a core sound, or you're wanting to add another amp setup for a different sound.

You can set the HD so that the top row of switches turns effects on & off, and the bottom row changes between patches (standard setup), or you can set it so that all of the footswitches turn effects on & off. TBH, I haven't tried it with all switches for effects, and how to switch between patches with that setting, but it can be done. Haven't used the FX loop either.

How’s the headphone sound? Does it have a drum machine or any beats built in? How’s the looper?

I do a lot of practicing with just my Zoom B3 connected to the iMac. Having drums, even really basic beats, syncing to the looper is pretty sweet. No drift.

Getting good sound, like everybody says, takes some twiddling.

Noticing that the HD 500 is on sale at $400 new,...that’s the price of one Darkglass Alpha Omega Ultra.

I’m a Swiss Army knife kind of guy, ampless is my goal.

Headphone sound is great, no drum patterns, haven't tried the looper.

I went from a B3 to a PODxt Live to the HD500X. The HD is far better than either IMO.

My goal was ampless as well (still have one though!), and the HD500X succeeds in this remit.

Like I said in my earlier post, you don't need to buy an FRFR rig either, just use your existing bass amp, but bypass the amp's pre-amp section by plugging the HD into the FX Return.

Like I said, it works for me (and no complaints from the band either), and I've been using it for the last year and a half.
 
How’s the headphone sound? Does it have a drum machine or any beats built in? How’s the looper?

I do a lot of practicing with just my Zoom B3 connected to the iMac. Having drums, even really basic beats, syncing to the looper is pretty sweet. No drift.

Getting good sound, like everybody says, takes some twiddling.

Noticing that the HD 500 is on sale at $400 new,...that’s the price of one Darkglass Alpha Omega Ultra.

I’m a Swiss Army knife kind of guy, ampless is my goal.

I would not change a darkglass for a multifx... also you can go ampless having those darkglass which have the DI (almost every single of them if not all). Im not a Darkglass guy but an Sansamp, still I recognize their great quality, wouldnt change that for a multifx.
 
I was really just commenting on the price of two units I mentioned. The Darkglass Alpha Omega Ultra is certainly a bitchin pedal. It’s also a new release and enjoying well deserved buzz, as well as a hefty price tag. One day, when the used market prices settle a bit, I’ll probably try one.

The Line6 HD500x is still in production, but a couple rungs down the ladder in terms of the current Line 6 product line. I’ve got a used one inbound. We’ll see how it goes. Multi’s can be so complicated that they end up being pretty paperweights until they are sold for another whimsy in the quest for tone. (Like the Zoom B9.1 ut that totally bamboozled me)

Or they can be a long term fixture. My Zoom B3 isn’t going anywhere. (Granted it’s not worth enough now to bother with selling it) I like it.

Same with single pedals. I run a “catch and release” operation. My first Darkglass, the B3k, went back in the TB endless river of pedals after a few months of trying like it. The Zoom B3 that followed has been a workhorse. It’ll probably go in the effects loop of the HD500x to provide beats.

I’ve gone through many a pre, boost, drive type fx over the years, and low and behold, there’s the MXR M-80, still in service ten years later.

The multi fx vs single boutique pedals discussion has always been about “bang for the buck” as well as tone and user experience.

My experience so far is that the multis stay home and enhance practice time, while the M-80 and Ovnilab Smoothie got out to play. As far as ampless goes, these two, running straight into the mixer do it for most things. I could take a rig, but I’m reluctant to add to the already high volume.

There is always a significant investment in time to learn a multi, but single pedals, and the interaction between a number of stomps in a signal path (not to mention connections, power supplies, and the infrastructure to organize all of it) can be daunting as well.

As always, ymmv, no warranty, and no money back if not satisfied...
 
YMMV.

The debate of multi-FX vs. Single Pedals will rage on and on, and as singlemalt says, it is very much down to a "bang for your bucks" decision. There are compromises with both choices, however, there are bonuses with both choices. At the end of the day, it is up to the player to decide which route is best for them.

Personally, I'm happy with going down the Multi-FX route, as they have come on in leaps and bounds in recent years, and the multi gives me great "bang for my bucks", not only offering great amp & cab sims for DI'ing (as well as DI options), but many effects options as well.

Having been down the hand built valve/toob amp, boutique analogue pedals and custom hand wound pickups route with my guitar rig, I think I know when things sound good (and my guitar rig does sound really good to my ears!). I would also argue that my bass rig sounds really good, and I've been more than happy with it for the last year and a half.

At the end of the day, the player needs to open their ears to any and all sonic possibilities, so as to get the best sound out of their instrument for any given situation. YMMV. :)
 
getting ready to record with my wife, so I needed to familiarize myself with the interface and recording program some more, so I made a really quick (rushed), fairly crummy playing demo of a few settings I have dialed in on my HD500X. This was with my ovation magnum, both pickups on, Dean Markley Blue steels. It is with a pick just to show the variety. Forgive the poor playing. by the end, I just played some Tool as I'm just not that creative! Straight from the POD into the Presonus Audiobox USB 96. No editing whatsoever. Enjoy!

The settings are in order as follows....
  1. Clean SVT through 810
  2. Driven GK 800RB through 810
  3. Slightly driven HiWatt
  4. Driven Marshall Super Lead
  5. A custom setting I came up with.
 
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My HD500x arrived last night. A few hours flailing around with the computer side of things and it’s up and running. I’m sure my computer ineptness played a roll.

Editor software is pretty sweet, however I wish the window could be enlarged or resized. It’s fine, but bigger would be better for my screen. And my eyes.

I’ve barely scratched the surface, but damn, this thing is cool.

Usb connection lets me get playback from iTunes, got my drum machine in the aux in, headphone sound is wonderful. This should consume many hours, but I can see it working out for live playing.

Definitely going to be reading the manuals, available online, and I’m thinking about adding the bass pack. Previous owner built some cool patches from the stock amps.

I’m very excited about this thing for $300 used.
 
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Yeah, same here. A friend of mine (guitar player) just bought the Helix to replace his monster pedal board, and keeps telling me I need to come over and play around with the Pearce BC1 models. I have to admit, I'm more intrigued than I thought I would be.

This was exactly how I felt about the Helix stuff too for a while. I was indifferent. But then I kept hearing from sources I trusted that it sounded really good. I still can't believe I bought the HX because I wasn't totally sold on the idea yet. Then I played it. Totally blew me away. Even today after what, 2/3 months, it still highly impresses me.
 
This was exactly how I felt about the Helix stuff too for a while. I was indifferent. But then I kept hearing from sources I trusted that it sounded really good. I still can't believe I bought the HX because I wasn't totally sold on the idea yet. Then I played it. Totally blew me away. Even today after what, 2/3 months, it still highly impresses me.

Yeah, I had a weird day with that. I'd made a comment on one of Billy Sheehan's Facebook posts regarding the Pearce, and he responded regarding those sounds being in the Helix. He kept really plugging it to me, at the same time my friend was sending me text messages about his new Helix. It was pretty entertaining to have the two of them trying to get me to try it.

I still haven't. :laugh:

Seriously, though, if I could get the Pearce sounds out of it, as well as come close to that guitar tone that Akira Takasaki got on Loudness' Thunder In The East album, that would seriously free up some floor space in my small home studio.
 
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getting ready to record with my wife, so I needed to familiarize myself with the interface and recording program some more, so I made a really quick (rushed), fairly crummy playing demo of a few settings I have dialed in on my HD500X. This was with my ovation magnum, both pickups on, Dean Markley Blue steels. It is with a pick just to show the variety. Forgive the poor playing. by the end, I just played some Tool as I'm just not that creative! Straight from the POD into the Presonus Audiobox USB 96. No editing whatsoever. Enjoy!

The settings are in order as follows....
  1. Clean SVT through 810
  2. Driven GK 800RB through 810
  3. Slightly driven HiWatt
  4. Driven Marshall Super Lead
  5. A custom setting I came up with.

That's awesome! :) I really like your custom setting!
Best wishes,
Brent
 
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getting ready to record with my wife, so I needed to familiarize myself with the interface and recording program some more, so I made a really quick (rushed), fairly crummy playing demo of a few settings I have dialed in on my HD500X. This was with my ovation magnum, both pickups on, Dean Markley Blue steels. It is with a pick just to show the variety. Forgive the poor playing. by the end, I just played some Tool as I'm just not that creative! Straight from the POD into the Presonus Audiobox USB 96. No editing whatsoever. Enjoy!

The settings are in order as follows....
  1. Clean SVT through 810
  2. Driven GK 800RB through 810
  3. Slightly driven HiWatt
  4. Driven Marshall Super Lead
  5. A custom setting I came up with.

Any chance you could post more clips when you get a chance? Effects, fuzzes, etc?
Thank you,
Brent
 
Any chance you could post more clips when you get a chance? Effects, fuzzes, etc?
Thank you,
Brent
I will try to get some tomorrow. I just set up a modulation patch. Some fuzz too.

I'm a bit hesitant though, as I have no first hand experience with stomp boxes of that style so I have no baseline as to how they should sound or how to properly tweak them! I'll do my best.
 
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