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NPsD --- Ampeg Scrambler Overdrive and Classic Preamp

Apr 11, 2005
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Endorsing: Yamaha, Ampeg, Line 6, EMG
(I am an endorser for Ampeg, but I am not an employee and do not get paid money by Ampeg. I'm starting this thread as a convenient way for people to search on it and find the demo clips I made, and it's only slightly about flogging my brand. Now that that's out of the way, pardon the bad pic :D )

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So these showed up today. Don't know when they're coming out, but thanks to my friends at Ampeg, I got a sneak preview! I haven't got to spend much time with the preamp, but I was mainly interested in the Scrambler today. I took it to practice with my original instrumental band where a mild overdrive is always on, among other things. Brought my usual JohnK Greedtone clone in case it didn't work out, and to be honest, I wasn't sure if it would. In the SCR-DI and the BA amps, I always thought the Scrambler sounded pretty good but needed some help with EQing some more bass into it when you got into its more extreme settings.

Now feel free to take this next comment about the Scrambler with the usual unbridled Talkbass cynicism reserved especially for endorsers, but I kid you not...I absolutely loved it in every way, and even the guys in the band said it was the best I've sounded, and I've had some damn good OD tones with them :D Butt-simple to get a great tone within seconds, too.

I've always laughed at the idea of a transparent overdrive, but put the treble knob on noon and I am very hard pressed to detect any fundamental change in EQ no matter how hard I crank the drive knob. The drive knob has a good amount of room for tweaking on the fly before you have to worry about your volume getting too loud. It has a blend knob for those who are into that kind of thing, but I didn't use it, and the low end was always as present and consistent as the clean sound, even at the extreme settings that cause the SCR-DI and BA amps to require a good push of the bass knob.

Unlike the amps and DI, there is no built-in rolloff of the tweeter highs (ditto for the Classic preamp), which is probably more desirable in a pedal than a Swiss Army DI like the SCR-DI. But run them through a tweeterless cab or run a low pass filter after them into a DI, and then you get the full gamut of Ampeggy cranked tones from mild to pretty hard distortion.

Only spent a little time with the preamp pedal, but other than there not being any cut of highs as you get in the SCR-DI's EQ section, it sounds the same to me. Sorry to give it short shrift, but I was way more preoccupied with the Scrambler today. It's an easy-to-use and versatile preamp just like the SCR-DI, though.

But don't just take my word for it... I made a few brief recordings so you could hear for yourself. For two of them I used a PJ with somewhat new Dunlop Super Bright Nickels and EMG Geezers and did P soloed and PJ together. For the third, I didn't forget you curious active bass users...I used my Guitar Factory active neck-thru with EMG PJ's and BQC preamp set flat, and newish D'addario XL's. I played both fingerstyle and pick, but while I recorded samples with the drive knob in a few different positions fingerstyle, I only did all the way down and all the way up with a pick. Also recorded clean samples at the beginning of each group. Signal path was a Southampton All Things Equal clean boost for buffering, into the Scrambler, into a Broughton Low Pass filter set to cut highs like a tweeterless cab for the drive sounds (not used on the clean sounds), into a REDDI. Treble on the Scrambler was left at noon, no blend, and only the drive knob was moved. Have fun!



 
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Are these basically the SCR-DI's preamp and scrambler in two separate boxes?
Basically, but there are differences, as outlined in my little review.

The mild pickstyle settings sound great JimmyM. Any idea when these will be available?
Thanks JC! I've been hearing sometime in April, but not entirely sure.
 
I always liked the Scrambler on the SCRDI, only sold it because the pedal significantly lowered the overall volume when engaged. Does the preamp have this issue?
Only if you set the volume like that. Remember it's a pedal so you don't have other considerations when you are setting it like you might on a DI - the only thing determining the volume level is how loud you want it. Also, for most it will be an "always on" kind of thing, so no problem.
 
Nope...I use that for fuzz. This will be more for the mellower OD sounds.
Thanks for the sounds clips. I've been considering getting a Bearfoot Blueberry for mild OD, I like my Tone Hammer, but I don't want the OD on all the time, and can't switch the AGS on/off without a volume issue. Do you this OD is similar to the Barefoot Blueberry?
 
(I am an endorser for Ampeg, but I am not an employee and do not get paid money by Ampeg. I'm starting this thread as a convenient way for people to search on it and find the demo clips I made, and it's only slightly about flogging my brand. Now that that's out of the way, pardon the bad pic :D )

IMG_0922_zpsrqihybjp.jpg


So these showed up today. Don't know when they're coming out, but thanks to my friends at Ampeg, I got a sneak preview! I haven't got to spend much time with the preamp, but I was mainly interested in the Scrambler today. I took it to practice with my original instrumental band where a mild overdrive is always on, among other things. Brought my usual JohnK Greedtone clone in case it didn't work out, and to be honest, I wasn't sure if it would. In the SCR-DI and the BA amps, I always thought the Scrambler sounded pretty good but needed some help with EQing some more bass into it when you got into its more extreme settings.

Now feel free to take this next comment about the Scrambler with the usual unbridled Talkbass cynicism reserved especially for endorsers, but I kid you not...I absolutely loved it in every way, and even the guys in the band said it was the best I've sounded, and I've had some damn good OD tones with them :D Butt-simple to get a great tone within seconds, too.

I've always laughed at the idea of a transparent overdrive, but put the treble knob on noon and I am very hard pressed to detect any fundamental change in EQ no matter how hard I crank the drive knob. The drive knob has a good amount of room for tweaking on the fly before you have to worry about your volume getting too loud. It has a blend knob for those who are into that kind of thing, but I didn't use it, and the low end was always as present and consistent as the clean sound, even at the extreme settings that cause the SCR-DI and BA amps to require a good push of the bass knob.

Unlike the amps and DI, there is no built-in rolloff of the tweeter highs (ditto for the Classic preamp), which is probably more desirable in a pedal than a Swiss Army DI like the SCR-DI. But run them through a tweeterless cab or run a low pass filter after them into a DI, and then you get the full gamut of Ampeggy cranked tones from mild to pretty hard distortion.

Only spent a little time with the preamp pedal, but other than there not being any cut of highs as you get in the SCR-DI's EQ section, it sounds the same to me. Sorry to give it short shrift, but I was way more preoccupied with the Scrambler today. It's an easy-to-use and versatile preamp just like the SCR-DI, though.

But don't just take my word for it... I made a few brief recordings so you could hear for yourself. For two of them I used a PJ with somewhat new Dunlop Super Bright Nickels and EMG Geezers and did P soloed and PJ together. For the third, I didn't forget you curious active bass users...I used my Guitar Factory active neck-thru with EMG PJ's and BQC preamp set flat, and newish D'addario XL's. I played both fingerstyle and pick, but while I recorded samples with the drive knob in a few different positions fingerstyle, I only did all the way down and all the way up with a pick. Also recorded clean samples at the beginning of each group. Signal path was a Southampton All Things Equal clean boost for buffering, into the Scrambler, into a Broughton Low Pass filter set to cut highs like a tweeterless cab for the drive sounds (not used on the clean sounds), into a REDDI. Treble on the Scrambler was left at noon, no blend, and only the drive knob was moved. Have fun!





No slap demo?:wacky:
 
Thanks for the sounds clips. I've been considering getting a Bearfoot Blueberry for mild OD, I like my Tone Hammer, but I don't want the OD on all the time, and can't switch the AGS on/off without a volume issue. Do you this OD is similar to the Barefoot Blueberry?
Not had any hands on with the Blueberry, sorry.
 
Thanks for the thread.
I'm an old school bass player, never had an FX pedal or even had the thought until now.
Damn you TalkBass, I have been living in blissfull ignorance all these years and now I've contracted a mild case of Gear Acquisition Syndrome (GAS)
I don't wish to start competing with guitarists for most pedals on a board but I'm sure there is a pedal or two which
should be standard equipment for a working bassist.

Genre I'm playing is usually R&B/Pop standards and some classic rock.
I like the clear thumpy tone I am now getting with my G&L ASAT w/Flats through Ampeg PF500, but perhaps
an octave pedal and/or?
 
1) It's a digital effect, yes?

2) did you notice any tone suck without the buffer pedal (if you even tried it without it)?

I really liked the scrambler in the BA210, I used it subtly for a dub/reggae tone. It honestly killed. I suppose the treble roll off is a nice feature, but it sure would be nice to incorporate the novel feature I've only ever seen on my Route 66- a bass boost! You can get nasty and it still doesn't lose low end! Your samples sound good, there's still just that little bit of missing oomph in the bottom that I've yet to find on any other pedal than the Route 66. The constant complaint of bass players with distortion is they cut apparent low-end… Yet only one company has ever to my knowledge dealt with adding low-end back in, and it's not even a bass pedal :-)

Anyway, thanks for the demo, the scrambler seems easily good enough for getting a nice vintage tone.