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Double Bass NS Design NXT Megathread

What does the "IRs" stand for? I found tens of possible meanings on online dictionary. Do I understand correctly that it is some kind of software? How can I use it for live shows? Sorry for my ignorance...this is new to me...

Sorry about that! IR stands for Impulse Response. It's essentially a form of plugin to add to your signal chain so you can sound like you're going through a mic'd speaker cabinet. Example: add an IR of an Ampeg B15, and it mimics the sound of you playing through a mic'd B15 without actually having a mic'd B15.

Most impulse responses are models of amps & cabs and are typically used in studio recording or in-ear monitor situations where you aren't using an amp. Depending on the IR you choose, you could instantly go from the sound of a B15 to the sound of an Ampeg SVT/8x10 just by loading a different model. But in this case, 3Sigma has created models of acoustic upright basses. So by adding the Hawk IR into my Stomp, my NXT sounds more like a mic'd acoustic upright instead of a dry NXT.

To use an impulse response live, you'll need a piece of gear that lets you load an IR into it. In my case, I'm using a Line 6 HX Effects or HX Stomp, which let you load impulses and add them into the signal chain as an "effect." You can even assign them to a footswitch and turn them on/off.

Because of the sound sculpting nature of impulses, the big trend right now is to use them with FRFR (Full Range Full Response) cabinets... speakers that don't color the sound... and then use a chosen impulse to change the character of the sound to whatever the impulse is modeled after.

Hope that helps at least a little!

5sg.
 
Sorry about that! IR stands for Impulse Response. It's essentially a form of plugin to add to your signal chain so you can sound like you're going through a mic'd speaker cabinet. Example: add an IR of an Ampeg B15, and it mimics the sound of you playing through a mic'd B15 without actually having a mic'd B15.

Most impulse responses are models of amps & cabs and are typically used in studio recording or in-ear monitor situations where you aren't using an amp. Depending on the IR you choose, you could instantly go from the sound of a B15 to the sound of an Ampeg SVT/8x10 just by loading a different model. But in this case, 3Sigma has created models of acoustic upright basses. So by adding the Hawk IR into my Stomp, my NXT sounds more like a mic'd acoustic upright instead of a dry NXT.

To use an impulse response live, you'll need a piece of gear that lets you load an IR into it. In my case, I'm using a Line 6 HX Effects or HX Stomp, which let you load impulses and add them into the signal chain as an "effect." You can even assign them to a footswitch and turn them on/off.

Because of the sound sculpting nature of impulses, the big trend right now is to use them with FRFR (Full Range Full Response) cabinets... speakers that don't color the sound... and then use a chosen impulse to change the character of the sound to whatever the impulse is modeled after.

Hope that helps at least a little!

5sg.

Thanks so much for the explanation!
 
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I finally had a chance to throw together a couple quick clips of my NXT with the 3Sigma Hawk impulse response for your auditory consumption. :cool:

I was previously pretty happy with my delay patch, but the Hawk IR is a nice upgrade to my ears. :thumbsup: I'm definitely anxious to get this IR into a live situation(s) and do some more dialing in (my instinct says I'll probably dial the tone knob back). It will be interesting to see if my fellow bandmates have any feedback.

The true test will be through an amp, which I'll try to get some recordings of when I can get this setup into a live mix. (No jazz combo gigs for about a month though.)

Recording setup:
NXTa with NS Traditional strings, tone knob at 50% > HX Stomp > PC

Three clips for your auditory comparison:
1) dry signal, no compression, no EQ

2) NXT with my delay patch
a bit of compression, and some EQing with the aid of our sound guy to eliminate super low frequency woof

3) 3Sigma The Hawk IR
just the Hawk impulse response and a little compression, no EQ block. Tone knob dialed down to 0%.

5sg.
 

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I was able to spend some more time with the 3Sigma acoustic upright impulse responses last night, and did a few more audio samples for comparison. Some pretty good sounding results, in my opinion! I ended up preferring a different model than the Hawk 3A model from my last post, but I'd be interested to see if anyone here has any particular favorite(s) before I say which one. :cool:

Seven audio samples uploaded to the Dropbox link below, for ease of having them all in one place and because the clips are a little longer this time. I included the previous dry sample for a base (bass? lol) reference, and there are two audio samples for each 3Sigma model. One sample goes through the 5 different mic models they used, and the second clip is an example of the A/B/C variations of EQ. (I only included one EQ sample for each model, but they do include the different EQ variations for each mic... a total of 15 impulse responses for IR package). I also included their "manuals" for the models as well for further reference info.

Same recording setup:
NXTa with NS Traditionals > HX Stomp (using only some light compression and the IRs, no EQing) > PC

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Cheers!
5sg.
 
Also, I forgot:
For those that are interested in adding impulse responses to your current NXT signal chain, the Mooer Radar would be a significantly less expensive way to do it than getting a member of the Line 6 Helix family. :thumbsup:

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5sg.

Could you please explain? How would speaker sim help?

Did you mean this feature?: "Capable of loading custom IRS"

THX
 
Could you please explain? How would speaker sim help?
Depends on what you're after. I adore the sound of my WAV4 through a (simulated) KT88-based power-amp and a (simulated) Ampeg 8x10 cabinet. But then, I'm not interested in making it sound like an acoustic instrument.

Other people are, though, and in this context the body of an acoustic bass is the same kind of thing as a speaker cab. So some enterprising people have created IRs that replicate (to some degree) the effect of your signal coming through an upright bass. That's another way it could help :)
 
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Also, I forgot:
For those that are interested in adding impulse responses to your current NXT signal chain, the Mooer Radar would be a significantly less expensive way to do it than getting a member of the Line 6 Helix family. :thumbsup:

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5sg.

Do I understand it correctly that the way how to proceed is to download the IR from 3sigma pages for ten dollars and then upload it to Mooer speaker sim and that's it? Is it really that simple? Thank you...
 
I am not sure I can concur here... Yes, the body of URB helps to amplify its sound-and in this sense it acts as a speaker cabinet...but the tonal characteristics are quite different, IMO...
Of course they are - this is as true as when comparing basses to each other, or speaker cabinets to each other, and that's why you can't just apply a speaker-cabinet IR to make it sound like an acoustic bass. You need an IR captured from a bass to even get close.
Nonetheless, they're still resonant chambers that respond to the vibrations being introduced to them, which is what's modelled by IRs, and it's on that abstracted level that they're the same kind of thing.
 
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Did you mean this feature?: "Capable of loading custom IRS"

Correct, the ability to load your own impulse responses is the key in this situation. With the 3Sigma upright impulses, I'm not sure you'd want to ad cab sim, but I guess it depends on the sound you're looking for. My immediate goal with these upright models is to get my NXTa sounding as close to an acoustic upright as possible... not really looking to make it sound like it's going through a dimed Ampeg SVT stack. ;);) (but see below, a couple quotes down!)

The beauty of the Radar (or a Line 6 Helix, or the Darkglass V2 ultras, or anything else that can load IRs) is that you can use it with standard electric bass too, of course. There are quite a few paid and free impulse responses out there for a wide variety of amp/cab models. And if one was ambitious and had the right recording gear, you can even create an impulse response of your specific amp/cab setup. I do a lot of in-ear monitor work, so I've thought it would be pretty cool to create an impulse response of my personal Shuttle 6/Bergantino amp setup to use when I'm not using my real rig! :cool:

Do I understand it correctly that the way how to proceed is to download the IR from 3sigma pages for ten dollars and then upload it to Mooer speaker sim and that's it? Is it really that simple? Thank you...

You would be correct again, sir. Transfer one of those 3Sigma upright IRs of choice into the Radar, plug the Radar in after whatever preamp you're using for your NXT, and you're off to the races.

Depends on what you're after. I adore the sound of my WAV4 through a (simulated) KT88-based power-amp and a (simulated) Ampeg 8x10 cabinet. But then, I'm not interested in making it sound like an acoustic instrument.

This is a good point as well, in comparison to my point above about making our electric uprights sound as acoustic as possible. I'm a pretty big Primus fan, so being able to run the NXT through a bass guitar pedalboard and all the fun stuff that we normally do with our standard electric basses is really fun. In that case, I wouldn't bother with the 3Sigma upright model, I'd go for the IR of that cranked up SVT 8x10 rig. ha ha

Just ordered a Mooer used from GC. Should be here next week. I’d love to have a real acoustic upright, but the reality of apartment living makes that an impossibility for me. I hope that this IR thing might get me closer to my dream.

Excellent! Drop some feedback here if/when you try out one of the 3Sigma impulses!

"Apartment life" is exactly why I have an NXT as well. I'm currently in a house, but I still have roommates and I'm a night owl, so I can practice at all hours without waking anyone up.

An additional benefit of the NXT: the scale length is 41.73"... which is less than a half inch difference compared to a standard 3/4 upright bass, with a scale length of 41.3", making the transition / switching between NXT and upright that much easier. One of the specific reasons I chose the NXTa.

5sg.
 
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Of course they are - this is as true as when comparing basses to each other, or speaker cabinets to each other, and that's why you can't just apply a speaker-cabinet IR to make it sound like an acoustic bass. You need an IR captured from a bass to even get close.
Nonetheless, they're still resonant chambers that respond to the vibrations being introduced to them, which is what's modelled by IRs, and it's on that abstracted level that they're the same kind of thing.

OK, now I get what you are saying...
 
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Correct, the ability to load your own impulse responses is the key in this situation...The beauty of the Radar (or a Line 6 Helix, or the Darkglass V2 ultras, or anything else that can load IRs)...

Thank you. Are there any other cheap stomp pedals which could work? I am not interested in cab sim (as I already have one on my preamp), so I would be using the pedal with the 3Sigma upright IRs only...

Transfer one of those 3Sigma upright IRs of choice into the Radar, plug the Radar in after whatever preamp you're using for your NXT, and you're off to the races.

Thank you. I undestand that I need to download the IRs to my computer first, correct? Again, sorry my ignorant questions...
 
Thank you. Are there any other cheap stomp pedals which could work? I am not interested in cab sim (as I already have one on my preamp), so I would be using the pedal with the 3Sigma upright IRs only...

Thank you. I undestand that I need to download the IRs to my computer first, correct? Again, sorry my ignorant questions...

There are others out there like the Hotone Binary and Two Notes Torpedo C.A.B., and other modelers besides the Helixes (Kemper, Axe FX, Fractal), the Radar does appear to be the least expensive. I'm not aware of any pedals that are strictly IR loaders and nothing else. But then again, I haven't had a need to look, since I already had the HX Effects/Stomp and a Darkglass.

Correct about downloading. It's actually really easy. You purchase the IRs from 3Sigma's website, they send you an email with links to your IR(s). Download to your computer, unzip the files and save them somewhere, then you can load them to any pedal with IR loader capabilities. Most IR pedals will be able to connect to your computer via USB.

I've never used the Radar in particular so I can't really help beyond that, but Rabea did a nice video about it on Youtube and there's this Talkbass thread that may be of some help as well.

5sg.
 
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There are others out there like the Hotone Binary and Two Notes Torpedo C.A.B., and other modelers besides the Helixes (Kemper, Axe FX, Fractal), the Radar does appear to be the least expensive. I'm not aware of any pedals that are strictly IR loaders and nothing else. But then again, I haven't had a need to look, since I already had the HX Effects/Stomp and a Darkglass.

Correct about downloading. It's actually really easy. You purchase the IRs from 3Sigma's website, they send you an email with links to your IR(s). Download to your computer, unzip the files and save them somewhere, then you can load them to any pedal with IR loader capabilities. Most IR pedals will be able to connect to your computer via USB.

I've never used the Radar in particular so I can't really help beyond that, but Rabea did a nice video about it on Youtube and there's this Talkbass thread that may be of some help as well.

5sg.

Again, you are being very helpfull-thank you. I made some research and found that HoTone Binary IR Cab is about the same price...plus it runs on 9V...
 
For anyone interested in extending their bottom range, I just installed a Hipshot drop-D tuner on my NXT. It's brilliant. Ten minutes work and wow, bowing that low D! Thanks to Mark Gollihur for help in working out whether the thing would actually work and fit! Very pleased.
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For anyone interested in extending their bottom range, I just installed a Hipshot drop-D tuner on my NXT. It's brilliant. Ten minutes work and wow, bowing that low D! Thanks to Mark Gollihur for help in working out whether the thing would actually work and fit! Very pleased.
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For anyone interested in extending their bottom range, I just installed a Hipshot drop-D tuner on my NXT. It's brilliant. Ten minutes work and wow, bowing that low D! Thanks to Mark Gollihur for help in working out whether the thing would actually work and fit! Very pleased.
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Excellent! I've been wondering if a HipShot double stop would work for a D AND low C. You've inspired me to try it ebrown; have to wait 'til after the holidays.