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Official Barefaced Bass Cab Club
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Wow, I guess these woofers will take it then. The two Hp setting I've been using is 32hz 48BW, and 50hz 12BW. The 50hz at 12db roll off is meant to simulate the roll off of a sealed cab and, to my ears, at least in my basement, it does a very good job of that. Boy, placement is everything. I had the twin and nv610 next to each other in the basement, first with the nv closer to the wall (about 4-5 feet) with the twin about 8 feet away, then I reversed their positions. Whichever cab was 8ft away sounded more impressive, which proves how low frequency cancellation works. Tried a new setting with the vtrm, drive 9:00, character 2 clicks right, bass 3:00, mid noon, treble noon. Talk about PUNCH! Im betting that when I have a pair of twins, I will used the HP filters more because of the added low end coupling. I've never had a love for super big bottom. I go for punch.
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We've got some stuff in the forthcoming version of the manual about room effects at low frequencies - in smaller spaces they matter a lot (and are one of the reasons we didn't aim for such a low F3 with the Gen 3 Big Series models).
KK, great to hear the Midget is doing so well - I like to think that Barefaced cabs are all about gigging and a lot of our customers are busy (gigs, not style!) bassists!
Yes. Kinda bummed. 4 weeks ago, I ordered a SC. Today, I might have reconsidered.
Still think I'm going to be very happy.
Still think I'm going to be very happy.
Played the first real gig with the ST last night in a nightmare of a room, basically a gym with a bar. Used the carvin amp and VTRM. I knew the cab would be plenty loud but was worried about having the limited eq of the VTRM to fix problems. There were no problems. I actually got compliments from a few in the crowd on my tone. My drummer said that he notices the way my different cabs sound but, said this twin made a big jump in tone and heft. I am really happy.
Still very much breaking in my Super Twin. I noticed a lot more dept and clarity at last Friday's rehearsal. And by the end of rehearsal, a whole lot more bass 
I may need to start putting less bass in the amp settings.
I may need to start putting less bass in the amp settings.
Second gig with the twin tonight. The first gig was in a cavern where any low end is too much but, never enough and tonight was in a small place with concrete/tile floor that can never seem to have too much low end. The twin worked great, I could hear every note, was a tad lean in the bottom end and I could have fattened it up with the carvin's dsp but, I just wanted to learn the VTRM's eq better. I was boosting alot of deep lows on the kick drum and even that sounded a bit lean. It would be nice to have another preamp with more eq options to try but, there really isn't anything out there that I'd want, I've owned almost all of them. The VTRM has limited eq but, with this cab and the VT's inherant tone, you will always be heard. One twin will cover almost all gigs as far as I can tell. Im just getting a second because I can and I like to play loud outdoors. I may continue looking for another preamp but, the VTRM has some really good things going for it. I think that the few electric gigs I have for the summer are all outdoors.
Played around with some toys more. I used a summit audio TD-1 into an art tube eq to compare with the vtrm. The tube combo had a much bigger bottom end and I had to boost 80hz and 160hz on the carvins dsp to get the same girth with the vtrm. Thats probably what I'll do at gigs but, it would be nice to find a single space rack with some options as I hate messing with dsp on a gig. Not as convenient as walking over and turning a knob quickly. Of course, if I didn't always have to make the other guys gear sound better I'd have some time for myself. There are too many Grown Man Baby's in the world today. GMB's
How does the Super Twin compare with the 2 3012lf loaded cab with the 5" mid driver that you've used? Total output, low end, clarity, response to eq changes etc.? Thanks in advance.
The biggest difference is the sound of a 1-way cab vs a 2-way cab using woofers and a mid. To hear the difference look up my youtube videos. They really are very similar in terms of performance but, how they present the tones are different. I know that is no help at all but, really just check out the videos. I made several that you can compare. About 30 I think.
I was wondering if anyone has experience with running a Super Compact with an Aguilar TH350? I am considering purchasing this combination sometime in the next little while, and am wondering what kind of volume I should expect to get out of it? I understand that the SC is quite sensitive, and that the TH is often described as louder than similarly rated amps, and so it seems like they might play reasonably well together. I'm looking at the TH350 rather than the 500 due to physical size in the gig bag, and the SC rather than the Super Twin for weight - I commute to gigs primarily by public transport so every little bit counts! Unfortunately due to my location I won't have the opportunity to try them out before purchasing.
If size and weight is your overriding consideration, there is the Super Midget.
I have replaced my usual 212 with a Big Baby 2 for the first time this weekend. I'm running my TH500 (250w into 8 ohm) as usual and I'm finding the sound is very different from my regular Bergantino cabs, but in a good way. One drummer told me I was as loud as normal but my sound was "clearer" which he felt gave him "more room to play". So far the bands have all given my new sound the thumbs up, and last night (in a loud-ish band) I was told I was too loud!
Email Alex, he'll be able to advise, using the correct terminology.
I have replaced my usual 212 with a Big Baby 2 for the first time this weekend. I'm running my TH500 (250w into 8 ohm) as usual and I'm finding the sound is very different from my regular Bergantino cabs, but in a good way. One drummer told me I was as loud as normal but my sound was "clearer" which he felt gave him "more room to play". So far the bands have all given my new sound the thumbs up, and last night (in a loud-ish band) I was told I was too loud!
Email Alex, he'll be able to advise, using the correct terminology.
My second supertwin should arrive today. I wanted to break it in out in the country but some family stuff came up so, it may have to wait. Lately I've been running the VTRM with some dsp help from the carvin. Still HP'ed at 32hz but now Im eqing in some low end fattness. I have two programs. 1) a single 6db boost at 100hz that is 2 octaves wide. This gives the cab a fatter, lowmid punchy sound much like the nv610, very full. 2) a 1 octave 6db boost at 80hz and a .6 octave 3db boost at 160hz. This one fills out the real bottom end and addes the low mid punch with the second frequency. It sounds alittle more sculpted than the other setting, maybe not as "natural" sounding but, very awsome.
The VTRM is more lean down low than other amps or preamps so, this low end boost is really welcomed. And, I still get all the character the the VT adds in the mids without it getting muddy. I was looking at other preamps until I hit upon these two dsp settings.
The VTRM is more lean down low than other amps or preamps so, this low end boost is really welcomed. And, I still get all the character the the VT adds in the mids without it getting muddy. I was looking at other preamps until I hit upon these two dsp settings.
Got the second twin today and brought the pair straight out to the killing field. I spent some time loosening up the cab with ever increasing volume until I had the clip light on the carvin amp blinking alittle. Then I plugged in the second cab. Loud? Yes. Sound great? Yes. Obviously, they were louder together than the nv610 or ampeg 810, that should be apparent but, since those cabs are the measuring stick for volume..... With the pair, I got great low end coupling and removed most of the bass boost that I had dialed in for one cab. I stacked them side by side, splayed out, splayed in, vertical stack and separated like pa tops. I didn't stack them horizontaly on top of eachother like a big 4x12 because the side handles stick out alittle and I didn't have any spacers handy. My favorite sound was actually a single cab. The second favorite was splayed outward about 30 degrees. It had the most spread and the cabs still sound much the same. Pointed inward there was a big build up between 250-500hz which I've noticed with every other pair of cabs I've tried, it's never worked well for me. Outward always works better. The vertical stack had a nice even sound but of course, you lose alot of low end ground coupling and the horizontal dispersion was actually narrower than with just once cab.....I can't explain that one. If I needed the low end output of both cabs, I would either splay them outward alittle or try stacking horizontally on top of eachother if floor space was tight. You would only need this outside with no pa support for bass and alot of support for the drums. Even then it would be loud. Splitting the cabs, as expected, really sucked. Got alot of great tones out of the VTRM. I've been having a tube jones lately so, Im buying a fender tbp-1 from a tb'er. Im finding that a flat tone sounds great at high volumes with these cabs so, Im thinking the fender, with the the passive tone stack at 2-10-2 would be a good place to start. The VT is thinner on the bottom than alot of preamps and amps and when using one cab, I like to fatten it up with the carvins dsp eq to sound more full like the nv610. That works great. I may not need to fatten the fender up at all. If I would have known about the Retro six10, I would have kept a supertwin for most gigs and got the six10 for bigger gigs and Im alittle miffed by that but, I still have a better rig than anyone I know of so, thats acceptable.
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I have the fender Tb1200.. Basically the TBP1 preamp with an amp attached..
I have really learned to love this amp.. It is NOT what i expected though. I expected it to sound more like my old alembic F2B which is does not... It is woolier IMO than the alembic... That took a while to get used to.. however these days i like a more woolie tone..... The extra Semi Para Mid and built-in tuner of the Fender are great added features. And teh OD channel is OK... Alot better than i expected too.. There is a give and take with the EQ if you use the OD channel
But I think the alembic goes lower and smoother than the fender preamp when set at the 2-10-2...
And teh Alembic has a wider tonal variance when dialing the BMT knobs... Where the alembic F2B fender tone stack can change allot on each of teh knobs BMT... The Fender TBP1 seems to have most of its mileage on the mid knob... Just an FYI.
But once i got the hang of it.. ( since i am used to the F2B style,,,, I really love the TBP1 now.
I think that you will get some great power with the Carvin amp.. Probably cleaner than what im getting with the TB1200.. Since the TB is very tube sounding and no so SS...
It slays on a berg 610 and svt cab...
I have really learned to love this amp.. It is NOT what i expected though. I expected it to sound more like my old alembic F2B which is does not... It is woolier IMO than the alembic... That took a while to get used to.. however these days i like a more woolie tone..... The extra Semi Para Mid and built-in tuner of the Fender are great added features. And teh OD channel is OK... Alot better than i expected too.. There is a give and take with the EQ if you use the OD channel
But I think the alembic goes lower and smoother than the fender preamp when set at the 2-10-2...
And teh Alembic has a wider tonal variance when dialing the BMT knobs... Where the alembic F2B fender tone stack can change allot on each of teh knobs BMT... The Fender TBP1 seems to have most of its mileage on the mid knob... Just an FYI.
But once i got the hang of it.. ( since i am used to the F2B style,,,, I really love the TBP1 now.
I think that you will get some great power with the Carvin amp.. Probably cleaner than what im getting with the TB1200.. Since the TB is very tube sounding and no so SS...
It slays on a berg 610 and svt cab...
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Thanks for the input. I just looked at the schematics for the fender and compared them to the Alembic. The only difference in the main circuit is that the mid uses a 25k pot instead of a 250k pot, the bass and treble are the same. Of course, the circuit then runs through all kinds of solid state parts which may change the sound in ways unknown to me. It shouldn't be worlds apart though. I hope that I like it. Alright, didn't mean to hijack the thread. Back to cabs.
