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#1,101
Really considering pulling the 210 trigger. I have no need but, but my want is strong.

How big a volume output differential should I expect vs. the SC or the SM (since I have each of those)?

My thoughts are to run the 210 at 4ohms with my Demeter VTBP 800D. If I "need" a second cab, I'll get the 12ohm wiring and run two 12ohm cabs together for 6ohms, which should allow nearly all 800w to come through.
 
#1,102
Thanks Alex, both for the comments here and the email.

I'll leave things as they are, but I will say that I find it hard to put a micro amp on top of a handle.
I'm sure you know what you are doing and what your customers want, but having a handle higher than the feet of my amp is a real issue and not just a preference (like the carrying comments).
With the Retro Two 10 I believe you stated that although it could be used in either orientation, the sound produced would be different. Bearing this in mind I used it in the default orientation to get the most low end out of it, as it was designed to do.
This did mean having to put a my amp on the handle and although it was never going to fall off it had three pedals on top that looked like they might have had I played very loud and low as either the front or back feet were off the cab. Of course I could have padded it out and would have done had things turned out differently.
I take your point about the dish handles. These are what I'm used to but I can see they would involve a lot more work, and on cabs this light aren't really needed.

I'm more than happy that the BB2 is designed to be upright, and having the handle on the side is the best option for me. Ill just take a bit more care carrying it when I first get it.

So it's all good and i can't wait to get mine ;-) ;-).
 
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#1,103
When I am using a singe BB2, I use it in the upright position. When two of them are stacked, I place them on their side.
All my amps (Ashdown ABM and two MarkBass TA503) are inside 19" racks. This way I don't need to bother about damaging them during transport in the van or my car.
 
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dave_bass5 said:
I'll leave things as they are, but I will say that I find it hard to put a micro amp on top of a handle. I'm sure you know what you are doing and what your customers want, but having a handle higher than the feet of my amp is a real issue and not just a preference (like the carrying comments).
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I feel the same and for my One10 I asked Alex and team to place the side feet on the same side as the handle. That way I can place my One10 on its side and have a flat space for my amp. My One10 was supposed to arrive yesterday morning but it hit a snag in shipment (likely customs) and won't arrive until next week, so I won't have a chance to see how it works until then.

I've also used the old method, as many have, of putting pads on the bottom of my amp's feet to clear handles. I hope this new effort will be less kludgey.
 
#1,105
When I used a Mesa 400+ I put foam between the amp and the cab. The idea was to protect all those tubes from excessive vibrations.

I just carried that on with my SS and D class amps. Maybe there was/is no scientific justification for this but at least I never had the handle problem.
 
#1,106
I think I'm going to need a new head. As much as I like my Markbass F1i can see me wanting something a bit louder, now I've gone 8ohms. I'm not saying I'll have level issues, but I think I'd rather get something in the 500watt@ 8ohms range than find I'm pushing my F1 a bit of hard. I don't think it really likes going over noon on the master.
Having two cabs isn't really an option, as I dont have space In the car, and for most gigs one will be more than enough.
To me the logical choice, assuming I like what I hear with my current head, would be to stick with MB, but I also fancy the Ashdown RM800. I always liked the tone my MAG has, but wasn't too keen on the ABM I had. That was a long time ago though, and my tastes have changed somewhat.

Assuming I get the BB2 on time it looks like it will arrive the day before my next gig. This won't give me any time to break it in, maybe just 10mins playing, so I'm a bit nervous, but also really looking forward to it. This is the biggest gig I have booked at the moment, as far as venue size goes. It's a large room, large high stage and no PA support. First ime I played this was with a MB traveler 15P and it was a terrible tone. All bottom end and compression. Head almost maxed out but not getting louder. This was the gig that put me off deviating from Schroeder cabs. I've been back many times and never really had any issues with my 1212L. Still never needed to push it too hard. I have a lot of confidence in the BB2 doing even better, and with a better tone.
 
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JxBass said:
I feel the same and for my One10 I asked Alex and team to place the side feet on the same side as the handle. That way I can place my One10 on its side and have a flat space for my amp. My One10 was supposed to arrive yesterday morning but it hit a snag in shipment (likely customs) and won't arrive until next week, so I won't have a chance to see how it works until then.

I've also used the old method, as many have, of putting pads on the bottom of my amp's feet to clear handles. I hope this new effort will be less kludgey.
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Alex did contact me and said he could move the handle, but for me it's in the best place. I'd rather the head was sitting flat as opposed to having the handle in a better place for carrying. One is practical, the other is just really a non issue.

Sorry to hear about the delay. I hate it when things that no one really has any I trol over happens. Always seems to be right before the weekend as well.

chris_b said:
When I used a Mesa 400+ I put foam between the amp and the cab. The idea was to protect all those tubes from excessive vibrations.

I just carried that on with my SS and D class amps. Maybe there was/is no scientific justification for this but at least I never had the handle problem.
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I do have a couple of strips of the foam they use under the Gramma pads. I was going to use them had I kept the RT10. But as JxBass says, it's a kludge.
If I had a tube in the head then I would probably do it anyway, but I stay away from tubes for this reason. I do get a bit paranoid with tube heads. Never actually had one fail (only ever had two anyway), but I feel safer the less moving parts I have.
I doubt I'll ever have a reason to use the BB2 on it side (assuming tone is the same ether way) so I can't see any other place for the handle other than where it is. I'll easily get used to carrying it this way.
 
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Unlike the many cabs I've owned, the BB2 required considerably more time to break in. I accelerated the process by taking a feed from my home studio PA and playing recorded music at volume through the cab. I primarily played various bass educational CDs to keep the emphasis on low frequencies. It required a minimum of 10 hours to achieve noticeable benefits. About 15 hours was better. The BB2 won't sound bad out of the box, but breaking it in definitely achieves a more supple feel with smoother responses.
 
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#1,109
Thanks. Unfortunately im not in a position to break it in before the gig. I could leave it at home and use my 1212L but the next gig is about 6 weeks later, and id miss the cut off for the 30 day trial period. Im not to bothered what it sounds like on the night, as long as it gets me heard. Then ill work on braking it in before the next gig, hopefully with a few rehearsals as my cab will be at home and i live in a small flat.
 
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Break in makes a huge difference. I used a 25hz sine wave at 10vac for about 12-15 hours. Sometimes i would like to have that horn but, i think that i made the right choice with the supertwin. It supposedly has a more rolled off bottom that the horn loaded cabs. Thats more my thing
 
#1,111
Yes, i have found that with a few other cabs as well, although not all of them. If, and i dont expect it will happen as i know Alex has a lot on, i get the cab two days before the gig i can run it over night in our basement at work. That would give it a good 10-12 hours at least. It wouldn't be at high volume levels but im sure it would make a difference.

Im not sure if ill use the horn too much, but for me the 30hz usable freq pulled me towards the BB2 over the SC. I suppose its better to have the full range and tame it, rather than not have it in the first place.

On a side note, ive just been given a recording of one of our rehearsals, with the Retro Two 10. Damn!!, it sounds good in the mix. Starting to miss it now. I know ive made the right choice though. It sounds much clearer than my 1212L (which i have recordings of from just after i sold the RT10, same room). You can actually hear the low B of my Sire V7 growl clearly, and with authority. Definitely not the case with the 1212L recordings.
 
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If you feel you have to break the cab in before rehearsing/gigging with it (which I don't recommend, I think using it is the best break-in method), then the most effective approach is a clean 25Hz sine wave from a smartphone app through the FX return on your amp. Definitely not with the speaker facing the floor nor at high volume.
 
#1,115
I'm in! I got the one10 x 2 and am thrilled with sound and portability!
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chris_b said:
When I used a Mesa 400+ I put foam between the amp and the cab. The idea was to protect all those tubes from excessive vibrations.

I just carried that on with my SS and D class amps. Maybe there was/is no scientific justification for this but at least I never had the handle problem.
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I like use an Auralex GRAMMA pad between the cab and head when I opt for all-tube heads.
 
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#1,117
So the 210 has my GAS going. I'm wondering how it would pair with my SC, if at all.

1 - Will these cabs be compatible in terms of tone? Mixing drivers is a no-no that I'm well aware of. If they are just too different, then this is an obvious no-go. I'm sure Alex will have the best insight here.

2 - Power handling? I'm guessing a 12 ohm 210 and the 8 ohm SC will technically work with my 4 ohm limited 800w head. Of course a 4ohm 210 could be overpowered by 800w based in the BF site data. What sort of disaster is this train of thought heading toward?

3 - If I hit the lottery, I'd be very curious how the new Mesa 800 mates up to a pair of the cabs at 4 ohms each, since the head is 2 ohm stable. However, I'm in no such position to need this in reality.
 
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N. Kentucky Bass said:
It does sound glorious. There's something about a dual-driver coupling that can't be beat. A single BB2 will be enough for most of my gigs but it's nice to know I can pull a rabbit out of the hat. At 29lbs, taking a second BB2 is barely a decision.

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Quoted for truth, justice, and the bad-@$$ way.
 
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