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#1,141
Alex. My sealed 610 has a .5 alignment switch. Off axis the .5 does help. Fullrange gives you more of that mid grind many of us love. I just built a vertical 410 using same drivers and have got to say that it sounds better and has better off axis response in addition to the drivers being closer to the ear. You do lose some low/lowmid coupling of course. Is there any way you would send out retro 210 cabs run with both woofers fullrange, to take advantage of the extra mids?
 
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Could anyone compare the supertwin with the retro 210 for me? In particular, how is the tightness in the bottom? The supertwin is pretty much top of the line sealed cab tight. I can pretty much fogure out the top and mids. Im pondering a vertical stack of 210 cabs, the 4 ohm versions, if the new mesa head works for me.
 
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kringle77 said:
Could anyone compare the supertwin with the retro 210 for me? In particular, how is the tightness in the bottom? The supertwin is pretty much top of the line sealed cab tight. I can pretty much fogure out the top and mids. Im pondering a vertical stack of 210 cabs, the 4 ohm versions, if the new mesa head works for me.
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Assuming you've seen the 210 clip vs one of the 12" cabs (forget the specific model).
 
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The Two10 (and indeed all the 10CR designs) are quite tweakable on the low frequency tightness front - with the port firing into free air they're biggest and least tight in the lows, with the port firing onto a boundary (usually the floor), they're a bit leaner and tighter. Then there's the option of entirely plugging the port (a tightly rolled up sock or T-shirt or closed cell foam plug) which tighten them up even more.

And there's also the option of plugging the port with something porous, so open cell foam or a loose plug of more open weave fabric (part of a retired woollen jumper?) so make the port aperiodic, so it becomes a leaky sealed box. And if the port is aperiodic you have the option of using the free air or boundary positioning of the port as well. Depending on how the port is damped this could actually sound tighter than a completely plugged port.

Lots of choices!
 
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Good to know. Have to see what the mesa is all about first and then decide.

Any idea what kind of f3 you would get totally sealing these cabs?

I continue to wonder which i may prefer over my supertwin. A vertical stack of retro cabs or a bb2 twin with that soft horn. The best one trip cab ever.
 
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If the crossover on the BB2 relates to the Super Twin in a similar way as the Super Midget to Super Compact, I'd hazard a few guesses based on my experiences with the BBBOD, Idiotbox Blower, Agro, and W&C TFR.

Turning the tweeter/horn down isn't exactly like not having a tweeter/horn, but it can get pretty close. At different volume levels, rooms/settings, and EQ settings and tone goals, it can be nice to dial in a bit of extra tooth with the tweeter/horn. I don't find myself turning the tweeter on the SM off, just down. I also tend to run it with my Demeter VTBP 800D vs. the brighter Mesa Buster pairing with the Super Compact. The cleaner the sound, the less bothersome the tweeter brightness is (in fact, it is nice, and feels integrated with the woofer sound). I've had SM/Demeter with the treble up in the bright setting with a J bass (Spector Forte SS), and liked the tone. Adding more distortion certainly makes the added treble a bit harsh and pokey, so the tweet, or the eq, or both will get adjusted down. The Blower is very toothy/bright and the pedal EQ almost always needs to be all the way off. Brighter settings (north of noon) on the TFR get way too crispy and sizzly. The Agro is somewhere in between; it can get more top heavy as you turn the presence up and toy with the contour and gain.

Bigger box on the BB2 (probably similar to the bigger volume of the SC vs.the SM) to accommodate to horn will make the BB2 low end a touch bigger, which may help keep some balance with the potential added brightness of the horn.
 
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alexclaber said:
The Two10 (and indeed all the 10CR designs) are quite tweakable on the low frequency tightness front - with the port firing into free air they're biggest and least tight in the lows, with the port firing onto a boundary (usually the floor), they're a bit leaner and tighter. Then there's the option of entirely plugging the port (a tightly rolled up sock or T-shirt or closed cell foam plug) which tighten them up even more.

And there's also the option of plugging the port with something porous, so open cell foam or a loose plug of more open weave fabric (part of a retired woollen jumper?) so make the port aperiodic, so it becomes a leaky sealed box. And if the port is aperiodic you have the option of using the free air or boundary positioning of the port as well. Depending on how the port is damped this could actually sound tighter than a completely plugged port.

Lots of choices!
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Well, after these revelations...

Have you ever considered to offer, as an option for example, properly built port plugs?

If i'm not wrong audiokinesis has already done this, and I think it's a very nice touch.
 
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Well ive just plugged in to my BB2 for the first time and im very happy. Its only at work, and of course needs a bit of braking in ot get the best, but compared to my 1212L (sitting next to it here) the BB2 is all i could hope for.
I was quite surprised that i much prefer the tweeter on full, rather than off. I hadn't planned on using the tweeter much, but i think its going to work well. It doesn't sound as harsh as the 1212L. I tend to keep the tweeter off most of the time on the 1212L as it just sounds too clangy and bright. This is all just bass-amp-cab though, i haven't used my VTBass DI yet (saving that for tomorrow).

Just one, very minor, non issues. The control for the tweeter doesnt seem to correspond to the diagram next to it. When all the way to the left its at about 9.30. All the way to the right its at 7 o'clock. Does the knob just pull off so i can align it a bit better? As i said, its really a non issue but it would be nice to get a bit more vial feedback while im getting used to the cab.

All in all, so far very happy.

New amp GAS now, although not sure what. Anyone using a Ashdown Rootmaster 800?
 
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hi Dave, I owned the 1212L in the past. probably the most confusing experience of my musical life. It's all about uneven frequency response with a very strong personality and a coloured tone. Quite the opposite of the BB2, wich is a very transparent cab.

Quite the opposite of the BB2. I usually run the horn wide open or almost so. VERY integrated tone and polite response from the high frequency driver, pleasant and totally useable.
 
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sratas said:
hi Dave, I owned the 1212L in the past. probably the most confusing experience of my musical life. It's all about uneven frequency response with a very strong personality and a coloured tone. Quite the opposite of the BB2, wich is a very transparent cab.

Quite the opposite of the BB2. I usually run the horn wide open or almost so. VERY integrated tone and polite response from the high frequency driver, pleasant and totally useable.
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Totally agree with you, although as far as getting the job done, where other cabs couldn't, i cant really fault the 1212L too much. If had it almost 6 years and never felt it let me down, although maybe all this time i have been struggling with the cab without realising it.
With the 1212L it was just too much to have the horn on full, and even more so with new strings. With the BB2 its like it just makes things brighter without changing the overal tone much. With the 1212L the tone would change drastically as the horn took over. Im sure ive not put that correctly but this is what comes to mind at the moment.

Saying that, ive yet to play above office volume, and im sure the horn will have more impact at higher volumes.
 
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sratas said:
I confirm, the horn will take some space at gig volumes, but if the listener is not too close to it, the overall tone is very, very natural sounding. Never used so much tweeter before the BB2. Enjoy!
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Thanks.

Yeah, i just opened it up a bit at work and could here the high end a lot clearer. This will definitely help cut through at gigs although i might back it off a bit more
 

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