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#14,301
Appogee said:
Heh!

Can you describe what it is about the voicing of the Mini you prefer over the Compact?

(The main problem I have with my overall rig is that it seems difficult to dial in the warm (not bright) traditional tone you hear on songs like Pink Floyd's "Comfortably Numb". I speculate that the Compact's lower frequency response might make that warmth more achievable. But I dunno. Perhaps @alexclaber might stop by this thread and comment at some point.)
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A low pass filter (LPF) is your friend here.
 
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I am a first time Barefaced owner, humbly requesting admission to the club. I received my brand new Super Twin a couple of days ago - I'm sure I don't have to sell anyone here on how great it is, but holy moly! I look forward to the sound of the cab improving as the drivers get further broken in, but even right out of the box it is very impressive. I could give you a long list of cabinets that I've owned over the years, but within a few seconds it was clear to me that the Super Twin delivers the sound I've been searching for for a very long time. I am happy that I chose the tweeterless version, as the high end seems to be more than sufficient. I've found most tweeters to be overly harsh and non-musical or not integrated with the LF drivers very well, so on the cabinets I've owned that have them they end up being turned almost completely off, or entirely off in some cases. The low B string area is always a concern, and the Super Twin seems to translate sub-low E notes in perfect balance with the entire range of the instrument, something I'm not used to hearing - in fact, I have often found myself compensating my attack on the B string and/or adjusting amp settings depending on whether certain cabs accentuate that range or are missing it. I look forward to not having to do that.

I've thrown all the amps in my possession and a number of basses at the Super Twin so far - all the amps (pictured) sound great in different ways, but the Quilter BB802 seems to have the most transparency, punch and openness, all qualities that the Super Twin translates very well. I've put maybe five different basses through it so far and they all sound exactly like they should, which made me realize I have been favoring certain basses to make up for deficiencies in my other cabs.

I haven't had a chance to bust it out on a gig yet, but I have several coming up this week and will report back further. The weight and ergonomics of the cab are a huge plus, since some of the gigs I have coming up have pretty hellacious load ins. I believe I could actually manage a one-trip load in with gig bag over my shoulder, for short distances at least.

Re. ordering and shipping, the time from placing the order to arrival was around 13 weeks. The cab shipped out from Barefaced last Monday and got to me in California Thursday - shockingly fast, and no customs hangups whatsoever. The packaging was brilliant and sufficiently protective without using a huge box, very well thought out.

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ad9000 said:
I am a first time Barefaced owner, humbly requesting admission to the club. I received my brand new Super Twin a couple of days ago - I'm sure I don't have to sell anyone here on how great it is, but holy moly! I look forward to the sound of the cab improving as the drivers get further broken in, but even right out of the box it is very impressive. I could give you a long list of cabinets that I've owned over the years, but within a few seconds it was clear to me that the Super Twin delivers the sound I've been searching for for a very long time. I am happy that I chose the tweeterless version, as the high end seems to be more than sufficient. I've found most tweeters to be overly harsh and non-musical or not integrated with the LF drivers very well, so on the cabinets I've owned that have them they end up being turned almost completely off, or entirely off in some cases. The low B string area is always a concern, and the Super Twin seems to translate sub-low E notes in perfect balance with the entire range of the instrument, something I'm not used to hearing - in fact, I have often found myself compensating my attack on the B string and/or adjusting amp settings depending on whether certain cabs accentuate that range or are missing it. I look forward to not having to do that.

I've thrown all the amps in my possession and a number of basses at the Super Twin so far - all the amps (pictured) sound great in different ways, but the Quilter BB802 seems to have the most transparency, punch and openness, all qualities that the Super Twin translates very well. I've put maybe five different basses through it so far and they all sound exactly like they should, which made me realize I have been favoring certain basses to make up for deficiencies in my other cabs.

I haven't had a chance to bust it out on a gig yet, but I have several coming up this week and will report back further. The weight and ergonomics of the cab are a huge plus, since some of the gigs I have coming up have pretty hellacious load ins. I believe I could actually manage a one-trip load in with gig bag over my shoulder, for short distances at least.

Re. ordering and shipping, the time from placing the order to arrival was around 13 weeks. The cab shipped out from Barefaced last Monday and got to me in California Thursday - shockingly fast, and no customs hangups whatsoever. The packaging was brilliant and sufficiently protective without using a huge box, very well thought out.

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Welcome aboard! I love my SuperTwin. I often used to ponder if I needed the tweeter but no regrets not getting one.
 
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In praise of the Super Compacts, I posted this over on the Sisma page:
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Post in thread 'New amp SISMA – HYBRID TUBE/CLASS-G BASS HEAD'

I have my new Sisma and have gigged it in theatres, clubs and two outdoor venues with several different bands. Some where the bass' role is functional (Stapleton) and some where the bass' role is integral (Allmans). I know, bass is always integral....
I have had guitarists (guitarists!) come up to me after a set and complimented the bass sound. "what kinda cabinets are those?".

The Barefaced are the bast cabs I have ever owned. Very transparent. So the tone of my basses, pedals and amp can come through.
The Sisma has now replaced an Aguilar TH700 which is itself an awesome amp. They are...
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Appogee said:
Heh!

Can you describe what it is about the voicing of the Mini you prefer over the Compact?

(The main problem I have with my overall rig is that it seems difficult to dial in the warm (not bright) traditional tone you hear on songs like Pink Floyd's "Comfortably Numb". I speculate that the Compact's lower frequency response might make that warmth more achievable. But I dunno. Perhaps @alexclaber might stop by this thread and comment at some point.)
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The Mini's will start to compress the sound if you play them really loud before the SC, ST, BB, or BT's will, especially with lower (below 40Hz) frequencies.
 
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ad9000 said:
I am a first time Barefaced owner, humbly requesting admission to the club. I received my brand new Super Twin a couple of days ago - I'm sure I don't have to sell anyone here on how great it is, but holy moly! I look forward to the sound of the cab improving as the drivers get further broken in, but even right out of the box it is very impressive. I could give you a long list of cabinets that I've owned over the years, but within a few seconds it was clear to me that the Super Twin delivers the sound I've been searching for for a very long time. I am happy that I chose the tweeterless version, as the high end seems to be more than sufficient. I've found most tweeters to be overly harsh and non-musical or not integrated with the LF drivers very well, so on the cabinets I've owned that have them they end up being turned almost completely off, or entirely off in some cases. The low B string area is always a concern, and the Super Twin seems to translate sub-low E notes in perfect balance with the entire range of the instrument, something I'm not used to hearing - in fact, I have often found myself compensating my attack on the B string and/or adjusting amp settings depending on whether certain cabs accentuate that range or are missing it. I look forward to not having to do that.

I've thrown all the amps in my possession and a number of basses at the Super Twin so far - all the amps (pictured) sound great in different ways, but the Quilter BB802 seems to have the most transparency, punch and openness, all qualities that the Super Twin translates very well. I've put maybe five different basses through it so far and they all sound exactly like they should, which made me realize I have been favoring certain basses to make up for deficiencies in my other cabs.

I haven't had a chance to bust it out on a gig yet, but I have several coming up this week and will report back further. The weight and ergonomics of the cab are a huge plus, since some of the gigs I have coming up have pretty hellacious load ins. I believe I could actually manage a one-trip load in with gig bag over my shoulder, for short distances at least.

Re. ordering and shipping, the time from placing the order to arrival was around 13 weeks. The cab shipped out from Barefaced last Monday and got to me in California Thursday - shockingly fast, and no customs hangups whatsoever. The packaging was brilliant and sufficiently protective without using a huge box, very well thought out.

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Those Kern's are awesome.

If you haven't already tried it, run the Kern output into the FX Return on the 803 -> to your ST.

No promises, but it might just outperform the Dem Minnie.
 
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Appogee said:
Heh!

Can you describe what it is about the voicing of the Mini you prefer over the Compact?

(The main problem I have with my overall rig is that it seems difficult to dial in the warm (not bright) traditional tone you hear on songs like Pink Floyd's "Comfortably Numb". I speculate that the Compact's lower frequency response might make that warmth more achievable. But I dunno. Perhaps @alexclaber might stop by this thread and comment at some point.)
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I'd say that warmth is a mid and high frequency tonal issue, not a low end issue (unless the cab is short of lows, which none of ours are!) And personally I think that an SM on top of an SC looks much better the right away around because then the ports and handles and badges are the same way around and there's nothing weird about having a slightly narrower and much shorter cab on top of a slightly wider and much taller one.

I think I lot of people get confused about this stuff - like people talk about rolling off the tone to get a deeper sound, when it doesn't change the depth at all, it cuts the highs (and upper mids depending on the sweep).
 
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alexclaber said:
I'd say that warmth is a mid and high frequency tonal issue, not a low end issue (unless the cab is short of lows, which none of ours are!) And personally I think that an SM on top of an SC looks much better the right away around because then the ports and handles and badges are the same way around and there's nothing weird about having a slightly narrower and much shorter cab on top of a slightly wider and much taller one.

I think I lot of people get confused about this stuff - like people talk about rolling off the tone to get a deeper sound, when it doesn't change the depth at all, it cuts the highs (and upper mids depending on the sweep).
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Thanks Alex. I appreciate your guidance. Perhaps I should just keep it simple and get another Super Mini. 🤔
 
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John D Harris said:
Those Kern's are awesome.

If you haven't already tried it, run the Kern output into the FX Return on the 803 -> to your ST.

No promises, but it might just outperform the Dem Minnie.
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Hey John,
Yeah, the Kern is a desert island piece for sure. I tried this early on when I got my BB803, and at the time my impression was that I liked the sound of the Minnie better (this was long before I got the Super Twin). Your post inspired me to give it another shot, and today the 803 actually sounded punchier and more detailed than the Minnie. I don't know if any confirmation bias was involved, or if the Super Twin being more revealing than my other cabs is a factor, but I'm going to take them both on one of my upcoming gigs and do a more lengthy, real world A/B test.
And I appreciate the tip!
 
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ad9000 said:
Hey John,
Yeah, the Kern is a desert island piece for sure. I tried this early on when I got my BB803, and at the time my impression was that I liked the sound of the Minnie better (this was long before I got the Super Twin). Your post inspired me to give it another shot, and today the 803 actually sounded punchier and more detailed than the Minnie. I don't know if any confirmation bias was involved, or if the Super Twin being more revealing than my other cabs is a factor, but I'm going to take them both on one of my upcoming gigs and do a more lengthy, real world A/B test.
And I appreciate the tip!
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Let us know how it goes.

I remember some people way back when, saying that the Minnie sounded just a small bit less detailed than some other power amp units.

I know the power section of the Quilter 800 series is very detailed as well as stout.

You might have to be real careful with the gain structure, but you might also be able to run the Kern output into the 803 instrument input (start with both Gain controls really low, might be worth a try) - I'm sure it would result in more flavor (for better or worse).

The Kern is just really versatile on its own.

Happy experimenting!
 
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blastoff said:
Sorry i was actually correcting myself, but it was several posts back and now appears completely out of context, as will this reply. things happen fast around here sometimes. but anyways.

heres a nice picture i took.
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I still recommend both (HPF & LPF) pretty much universally!
 
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