Thank you, I appreciate that. Just last night I used both OBC112's with the Mesa Bass 800D with two Squier 50th Anniversary Gold Editions Jazz Basses (what a mouth full). Wow what an awesome sounding combination
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No doubt. I'd be onto one of those 800D's if they weren't $megabux here in Aus.Thank you, I appreciate that. Just last night I used both OBC112's with the Mesa Bass 800D with two Squier 50th Anniversary Gold Editions Jazz Basses (what a mouth full). Wow what an awesome sounding combination
Oh, and petrol wasn't $2.60/ litre
If you ever get the chance to get one cheaper (used) I recommend it. Awesome freaking amp and the Orange OBC112's mesh beautifully with it.No doubt. I'd be onto one of those 800D's if they weren't $megabux here in Aus.
Oh, and petrol wasn't $2.60/ litre
Yesterday was the second rehearsal with the Terror / 2 x OBC 115. I still very much enjoyed it with my P bass !!
I dialed the gain back and raised the master, less grit but the sound opened a little (if anything I found the setup on the dark side, it's my first time without a tweeter).
This Terror is no tube amp, but I feel like for the first time I have a "tubey" setup and it works sooo well with a P bass.
I dialed the gain back and raised the master, less grit but the sound opened a little (if anything I found the setup on the dark side, it's my first time without a tweeter).
This Terror is no tube amp, but I feel like for the first time I have a "tubey" setup and it works sooo well with a P bass.
You do realize that the Terror Bass is a Fender Tone Stack, correct? I'm asking because the Bass at 12:00 is a boatload of Bass and the Mids at 12:00 means you are scooping out the Mids. Since you say it is on the dark side, try running the bass at about 9:00, Mids at about 3:00 and Treble at about 9:00 at your next rehearsal and see how that sounds. Or even later on practicing at home and then making adjustments from there to your liking. I think you might find it much more clear and articulate.
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I have looked at the manual prior to use it and it says that bass / mid / treble are active tone controls with boost or cut.
So I did not consider it as a tone stack.
There is a cut / boost printing under the knobs (unlike the AD200). So... this is confusing for me.
I have looked at the manual prior to use it and it says that bass / mid / treble are active tone controls with boost or cut.
So I did not consider it as a tone stack.
There is a cut / boost printing under the knobs (unlike the AD200). So... this is confusing for me.
Yeah there are some other parts of the manual where it looks like they did a copy and paste from another amp. The tone stack is definitely Fender which means Cut on Mids and Boost on Bass and Treble. If you read throughout this thread as well as others you will see where others will say the same thing. I've had the Terror for quite some time now, you might want to try the settings I posted earlier and see for yourself. From there you can then make changes to find your tone. It's a pretty cool amp once you get a better understanding of the EQ and you might find it more tubey than what you are currently hearing from it.
So... I have tried the "Tone stack" approach today.
Not with a P and not with the OBC's >>> Fender Marcus Miller J + Mesa 115 (tweeter off).
I started at 9 - 3 - 9 as you suggested @Wicked G and finally really liked 11-3-11. Can't wait to try with the OBC's
Not with a P and not with the OBC's >>> Fender Marcus Miller J + Mesa 115 (tweeter off).
I started at 9 - 3 - 9 as you suggested @Wicked G and finally really liked 11-3-11. Can't wait to try with the OBC's
All this talk of Fender tone stacks and Orange, make me have some questions:
I used to have a TB500v2 (that I regret selling), and I currently have an AD200B Mk3 (not seeing much action ATM). I am a longtime Ampeg guy and I understand the tone controls very well well (I think), 12 is flat, then boost or cut from there.
Based on the responses above, does the TB and the AD work the same as far as eq, meaning the Fender Tone Stack?
If so, can it be explained clearly?
Is bass and treble just 0 to 10 (just boost) and mid 10 to zero (just cut).
Or is it more complex than that?
I will be using the AD200/OBC210/OBC115 for an upcoming gig in a month so I need to reacquaint myself with it. Then after that it may live in my rehearsal space, getting regular use again, as a substitute for the Ampeg rig that’s there now.
I used to have a TB500v2 (that I regret selling), and I currently have an AD200B Mk3 (not seeing much action ATM). I am a longtime Ampeg guy and I understand the tone controls very well well (I think), 12 is flat, then boost or cut from there.
Based on the responses above, does the TB and the AD work the same as far as eq, meaning the Fender Tone Stack?
If so, can it be explained clearly?
Is bass and treble just 0 to 10 (just boost) and mid 10 to zero (just cut).
Or is it more complex than that?
I will be using the AD200/OBC210/OBC115 for an upcoming gig in a month so I need to reacquaint myself with it. Then after that it may live in my rehearsal space, getting regular use again, as a substitute for the Ampeg rig that’s there now.
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My understanding is that the TB and AD share the same tone stack. “Flat” is bass=0, mid=10, treble=0. The controls are interactive though. This page can help you visualize that interaction. LINK
As a happy TB500 owner, I’ve wondered how much better the AD200 would be? So, it’s interesting to read the first part of your post. Is weight the main reason why the AD200 doesn’t get much use?
As a happy TB500 owner, I’ve wondered how much better the AD200 would be? So, it’s interesting to read the first part of your post. Is weight the main reason why the AD200 doesn’t get much use?
Basically yes, plus the size of the stages I get to play on. These days I’m using a GK Fusion 800s with a 4 ohm 212 Neo IV (for full power) or an 8ohm 115Neo IV when I want to push the amp. It’s just a nice lightweight rig that’s sounds great, and, conveniently all of it, with 2 basses, stands and small pedal board fit in the trunk of my car.
All that said, the AD200,115,210 rig is glorious. In May I get to play on a bigger stage and I’m very much looking forward to hearing it again.
I use a Terror Bass and 2 OBC-112’s for most gigs. But this coming Saturday, we’re playing an outdoor stage, and I plan to bring my AD200B MK3. It’s heavy, but load-in is at ground level, and I just ordered a cart that should show up today. I haven’t had the AD200B for very long, and I’ve gigged it once so far. Fantastic amp, and fun after load-in and before load-out.
Thinking about nabbing an OBC-115 for those occasions when I’m in the mood to move heavy things.
Thinking about nabbing an OBC-115 for those occasions when I’m in the mood to move heavy things.
The way it's understood and the way it actually works is not the same thing. All three controls are only cut only. If all controls are set to 0, very little sound should pass.
I suggest playing with a model that shows you the response of a Fender tone stack. Here you go: TSC in the web
The mid control is pretty much a volume control. With bass and treble down, you get this response with the mid at 10.
If you vary the mid control, the contour stays exactly the same, but moves up and down.
The bass and treble controls are sort of an LPF and HPF. With the mid control at 0 and bass and treble at 5 you get:
The controls are interactive. If you turn up the treble, the mid scoop moves to a lower frequency and the lows start to decrease.
The bass and treble also interact with the mid control. As you turn up the mids, the mid scoop fills in and the overall level increases a bit. Since the mid contour reaches up high, it can be difficult to dial back the treble.
This is bass/treble at 5 and mids at 10
IME the flattest response with a actually Fender tone stack or a fairly true clone
Bass cracked open a hair, treble off (0), mids at around 7. If you are using clockface setting, 7 is probably about 3:00.
Just because an amp has a Fender tone stack does not necessarily mean it will be voiced and respond to inputs exactly like a Fender.
Orange uses different component values, so it's not 100% exact. But it's pretty close with some of them. The AD200B Mk3 is closer to the sound and feel of the blackface Twin I learned to play through than any other bass amp I have played.
Correct. Flat is Bass=0, Mids=10, Treble=0 and then adjust from there.
A TB500 and 2 OBC-112s is my main rig and it’s great. But, I do dream of a AD200B and two OBC-115s.
The AD200B is simply different. The all tube power section adds a solidity that I haven't quite found from any other type of amps.
And then there's the way the AD200B breaks up.
I had a TB500 for a couple of years and loved it too. But for easy load in gigs, it's all tube as much as possible
Now that most of my gigs have FOH PA support, I find I'm taking my 100w V4B a lot.
The AD200 and a single OBC115 is a pretty awesome rig. I have used that for certain places.
I have a V4B (the new re-issue, 2013’ish) and the SVT212-AV cab at the rehearsal space for a different band I’m in, and I really like it, it works perfect in the room we use. I’d like to also use it live but it stay parked in that space, that is two flights of stairs up.
Posted this in another thread, but felt apropos here as well. Mesa in Orange 2x10 and 1x15 goodness!
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