Official Orange Club II

[davedamage]

Orange cabs stay at the shop, Mesas go to gigs. Because lightweight.

 

[rodl2005]

Orange cabs stay at the shop, Mesas go to gigs. Because lightweight.

Nice. Are they the 15"s?

 

[davedamage]

Two OBC115, one OBC210, Subway 115 and Subway 210

 

[Ringhammer]

Are the OBC 115 the original with the Eminence Kappa 15a?
I have a AD200mk3 and OBC115 (Kappa, not Celestion) and a OBC210 and I found that the 210 couldn’t quite keep up with the 115. I swapped the original 10’s out of the 210 with a pair of Eminence Beta 10b (16ohm) and it really woke that cab up. And to my ears it’s more balanced with the 115.

 

[Eneade]

Here is a bit of a follow-up on my Terror bass V1 and the OBC 115s.

While I really liked the sound with a P bass, I found it too dark with a J or a MM. The treble control of the Terror is rather subtle through the 115s ; I think the speakers roll off below the frequency of the treble control.
I tried one 115 with my Mesa WD-800 and it was a really good match ! The head allows me to clear up some lows with the HPF and boost the high mids around 2,5k : it really opens up the cab while leaving plenty of growl.
I am usually not a fan of mixing brands for heads / cabs, but in this case I think it works both sonically and aesthetically.

 

[rodl2005]

Here is a bit of a follow-up on my Terror bass V1 and the OBC 115s.

While I really liked the sound with a P bass, I found it too dark with a J or a MM. The treble control of the Terror is rather subtle through the 115s ; I think the speakers roll off below the frequency of the treble control.
I tried one 115 with my Mesa WD-800 and it was a really good match ! The head allows me to clear up some lows with the HPF and boost the high mids around 2,5k : it really opens up the cab while leaving plenty of growl.
I am usually not a fan of mixing brands for heads / cabs, but in this case I think it works both sonically and aesthetically.

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Whatever works!

The V4B and Bassman 115 is one of my faves. And honestly, I'd take the AD200B if it were 20lbs lighter

 

[tallchris]

Anyone here tried out the new OBC215 2x15 cabinet? Looks pretty close dimension and build wise to the old Mesa Diesel/RoadRead 2x15 cab, which isn't surprising since the OBC115 is a TL606 style 1x15, same as the old Diesel/RoadReady 1x15s.

Enjoyed this video of it, a Travis Bean TB2000 shows up around the 8:00 minute mark.

 

[Flatwound]

Took the AD200 MK3 out again. Played another ground-level venue, so why not? I thought I’d give a little comparison of the MK3 vs Terror Bass, now that I have a little more experience with it.

I’ve been using the Terror Bass and 2 OBC112’s for more than 5 years now. Still a great setup. But. These two amps seem more like cousins than twins. I got some advice here to start EQ’ing the TB with the mid all the way up and bass and treble at zero. For me, that was an excellent starting point. Not so much with the MK3. I ended up with the mids around 2:00 or so. Treble just shy of noon, bass at zero. The idea of cranking the mids all the way kind of scares me. We were playing next to a bay, and I think it could kill some fish.

Anyway, even with the compact cabs, I had that pants-flapping feeling, which I don’t get with the TB. The MK3 also seems to be naturally brighter sounding than the TB. The TB seems to have a darker character, but the treble is definitely available. I felt like I had a Chris Squire-ish tone a couple of times.

Conclusions: the TB will continue to get the lion’s share, since it weighs 11 lbs and sounds great. I am also not at all disappointed in the MK3, it’s a monster. If it was any heavier, though, say, like an SVT, it would have to be self-propelled to get to the stage.

 

[Wasnex]

These two amps seem more like cousins than twins.

Totally different output architecture Class D VS Tube.

The preamps use similar circuit, but are not identical. The component values in the tone stack are not even identical. I would expect that to have an impact on the voicing and how the controls work.

I got some advice here to start EQ’ing the TB with the mid all the way up and bass and treble at zero.

This is good advice. The amp does not do flat, but this setting is close. People normally think of the Bass and Treble as boost circuits and the Mid control as cut only. That's not completely accurate.

The idea of cranking the mids all the way kind of scares me.

You can't actually crank the mids with these amps. So nothing to worry about.


The following is copied and pasted from one of my older posts--I suggest playing around with the model to get a better idea how the tonestack works.:

I inserted the AD200B component values into a tone stack calculator. I don't know the value for RIN, but different values of RIN appear to change the signal level and have no impact on the frequency response contour.

TSC in the web (guitarscience.net)

Flattest response is Mid max, Treble fully CCW, Bass cracked open a hair.

You can also dial in a pretty flat response with the mid control lower.

 

[Flatwound]

Thanks @Wasnex !

 

[31HZ]

Played through my modified Orange AD200 m3 last night at rehearsal.

Some background: I started playing in the early 1990s, and my first real rig was an SWR SM400S and a Henry VIII (both bought brand-new!) and I always thought of myself as "not really a tube guy, that sound is too soft and squishy for me."

But the Orange might be my favorite "in the mix" amp ever, and I have a bunch of nice ones (and have had a bunch more over the years). I'm not sure how it can be simultaneously so thick and also so easy for me to hear myself in a mix, because it goes against all of my "modern tones help you hear yourself better" programming. The amp helps me to get out of my own way and just *play*, because I can sit back and vibe on things like where my notes start and stop without having to strain to hear.

 

[Flatwound]

Played through my modified Orange AD200 m3 last night at rehearsal.

Some background: I started playing in the early 1990s, and my first real rig was an SWR SM400S and a Henry VIII (both bought brand-new!) and I always thought of myself as "not really a tube guy, that sound is too soft and squishy for me."

But the Orange might be my favorite "in the mix" amp ever, and I have a bunch of nice ones (and have had a bunch more over the years). I'm not sure how it can be simultaneously so thick and also so easy for me to hear myself in a mix, because it goes against all of my "modern tones help you hear yourself better" programming. The amp helps me to get out of my own way and just *play*, because I can sit back and vibe on things like where my notes start and stop without having to strain to hear.

I do discovered a few years ago that I don’t like sparkly-clean as much as I thought I did. That’s what caused me to get the Terror Bass (current version), which was the best-sounding amp I ever had until I got the MK3. Terror Bass still gets the majority of the use, since the MK3 is so heavy.

 

[31HZ]

Is there a way to use the AD200 (mk3) as a slave power amp (use a different preamp into the power section of the AD200)?

More as a curious experiment for now, but I've always wanted to run my db680 into a tube amp.

 

[Wasnex]

Is there a way to use the AD200 (mk3) as a slave power amp (use a different preamp into the power section of the AD200)?

More as a curious experiment for now, but I've always wanted to run my db680 into a tube amp.

Not really since the AD00B Mk 2 does not have a power amp in or effects loop.

You could try running the DB680 into the active in but you will get the baked in voicing on the preamp. The level mismatch may result in excess noise and headroom problems.

Pretty much a Fender tone stack on the Orange, so the flattest setting is with the Bass control cracked open a hair, Mid almost maxed, and Treble fully CCW.