Ok Hive Mind: Reverb questions

[blastoff]

 

[Portamenti]

I always shied away from verb on bass… but I do have a slate that I love… definitely going to try this

 

[micguy]

The guitars I play with are there to provide "space" - Brin on the Big Sky, have at it. I'm there to provide something different, and the rooms I play are big enough that there's already too much reverb on the bass. Other time based effects? - a delay for an effect, or a chorus? Sure, but reverb - I have one on my pedal shelf, it never goes on the board.

 

[_One//Man//Mutiny_]

I've had quite a few dedicated reverb pedals
MXR Reverb
EHX Oceans 11/ Canyon (delay with reverb)
EQD Afterneath
Mr. Black Deluxe plus plus (trem with reverb)
I pretty much settled on the Keeley Caverns v2, I use delay and reverb just enough to warrant a space on my board but not enough to have 2 dedicated pedals. It really does the trick!

 

[warrplayer]

Another vote for Zoom. I only ever use a tiny bit of room, chamber, or early reflections. The zoom Ms-pedals have reverb programs in unending supply. No one is going to hear these and suss they are digital.
I disagree that the Ms-70CDR sounds any different from the 60b. But, Zoom has released new o/s for all the ms pedals which gives you almost all the MS-70CDR and Ms-100bt programs on your MS-60. Super easy to download and install.
Anyway, I am a sucker for the Zoom modulations too. I have used them in the studio with no complaints from engineers or producers.

 

[warrplayer]

The intro to this song is slathered in MS-70CDR.

 

[AlvarHanso]

Getting some great replies, thanks everyone!

I will discuss Source Audio's offerings, the Collider and the newer Ventris. These feel like the Strymon pedals and the H9 to me - just over-powered, over-sized, and over-priced for what I am looking for. Plus I do want to have something that is as tweakable as it can be while sitting on my pedal board.

Not to take anything away from SA, but I just find it very difficult to dial in pedals with an outboard programming interface, at least for my current projects. My band mates just don't care enough about my effect tones to allow the time and effort required to run a particular section while I tweak. If I can just move some knobs I might get one go-back to see how it works with everyone playing, so instant tweakability and small size are constraints I am currently committed to.

In that case, I again humbly offer up the Ocean's 11. Each of the reverbs is high quality, it has the Holy Grail in it, including the Flerb, has Tremolo Reverb that is fantastic, an EchoVerb that will get One of These Days with pretty much 2 knobs to dial it in, and an incredible Shimmer. Dial it up or down, but if you want to add some incredibly rich harmonics and organish sounds, it does it, and I've found that the Shimmer really holds a low note's depth. And that skips over the Hall, Plate, Spring, ModVerb, Reverse, and Auto-Infinite. Small enclosure, 4 knobs, and though no presets, it will remember your last knob settings on each effect, so if you go to Tremolo, the speed should be right where you left it, and if you bump it up in the course of playing then go back to Shimmer, those settings are still where they were.

One very key thing about muddiness and reverb is the all important Mix knob, cut that way down if you're producing thick mud. Sometimes, just a touch is all you need. Conversely, sometimes a synth bomb needs a big landing area. And the use of other effects that especially give you a more aggressive tone vis a vis the mix cut through even more with some reverb. And sometimes mud is just the nature of the overall sound collage. And my mileage definitely varies from those that play arenas and such, so I can imagine some scenarios such as arena rock where reverb is really tough to pull off outside of a solo. And I also always have a clean amp and effects amp to keep a constant fundamental.

 

[jdh3000]

I voted no reverb, not because "effects are silly". I use comp, and like a little envelope filter... essentially any eq that's being used is an effect, and I like tone shaping... but in the practicality of the music I play, most effects would just be something I'd play with at home....

Now about reverb, I've tried using it, but to have enough to be noticible, it muddles up the sound, at least in the styles I play. I sounds better when used lightly, but in the mix it's lost anyway.

I don't feel my bass has the "snap" I need it to have with any noticible reverb.

It's all a matter of taste and I'm sure it has a place, it's just not my thang...

 

[HolmeBass]

Good luck hearing that when you playing at gig levels in a group unless you are playing a solo.

I'll take all the luck I can get!

 

[HolmeBass]

I also have the Neunaber wet with the footswitch. I'm running about 10% wet plate reverb in stereo. Gives a nice clean room ambience and reduces the amount of treble cut needed with brighter basses. Now I would probably go with Neunaber's newer Immerse MKII--no need for a footswitch then.

Why do you need a separate footswitch with the Wet?

 

[HolmeBass]

The intro to this song is slathered in MS-70CDR.

That's killer - the intro is bass?

 

[bumble yeti]

TC Electronic HOF with Chris Minh Doky's "The Solitude" TonePrint - for home use to add a bit of "room" for home use.
TC Electronic | TonePrints | TonePrint | TheSolitude

 

[gstaats]

Voted no - never had a need for it on bass...

 

[PWV]

Other for me: EQD Ghost Echo or Fuzzrocious Afterlife V2.

 

[SoundOfOneHandSlapping]

Iron Ether Nimbus SE is my current favourite.
It has the addition of an expression pedal jack which I find quite useful.

On a budget, I'd happily settle for a TC Electronic hall of fame. They make a mini version too.

The Gamechanger Audio Light is the reverb pedal that has my attention these days.

 

[MotorCityMinion]

MotorCityMinion said: I've always liked this, the Strymon Big Sky (not small), and Eventide H9 (mid size).
IMO, reverb on bass can only be pulled off when the entire band understands and employs dynamics, otherwise it gets lost or sounds weird.

Good luck hearing that when you playing at gig levels in a group unless you are playing a solo.

uMMM. I kind of said just that.

 

[FritzM]

Personally, I use just a hint of plate reverb on bass. I'm bigger on delay.

 

[BassBrass]

In that case, I again humbly offer up the Ocean's 11. Each of the reverbs is high quality, it has the Holy Grail in it, including the Flerb, has Tremolo Reverb that is fantastic, an EchoVerb that will get One of These Days with pretty much 2 knobs to dial it in, and an incredible Shimmer. Dial it up or down, but if you want to add some incredibly rich harmonics and organish sounds, it does it, and I've found that the Shimmer really holds a low note's depth. And that skips over the Hall, Plate, Spring, ModVerb, Reverse, and Auto-Infinite. Small enclosure, 4 knobs, and though no presets, it will remember your last knob settings on each effect, so if you go to Tremolo, the speed should be right where you left it, and if you bump it up in the course of playing then go back to Shimmer, those settings are still where they were.

One very key thing about muddiness and reverb is the all important Mix knob, cut that way down if you're producing thick mud. Sometimes, just a touch is all you need. Conversely, sometimes a synth bomb needs a big landing area. And the use of other effects that especially give you a more aggressive tone vis a vis the mix cut through even more with some reverb. And sometimes mud is just the nature of the overall sound collage. And my mileage definitely varies from those that play arenas and such, so I can imagine some scenarios such as arena rock where reverb is really tough to pull off outside of a solo. And I also always have a clean amp and effects amp to keep a constant fundamental.

I use an Oceans 11 in the send/return of a EH Superego. It "rules" there, certainly best shimmer so far, and for awhile I was using Superego/shimmer sound allot. Superego/Oceans 11/EQD Rainbow Machine--just don't get sea sick.

 

[HolmeBass]

Other for me: EQD Ghost Echo or Fuzzrocious Afterlife V2.

Aren't those both delays?

 

[HolmeBass]

I use an Oceans 11 in the send/return of a EH Superego. It "rules" there, certainly best shimmer so far, and for awhile I was using Superego/shimmer sound allot. Superego/Oceans 11/EQD Rainbow Machine--just don't get sea sick.

You're putting both the Oceans 11 and the Rainbow Machine in the SuperEgo's effects loop? I bet that can get pretty strange - in a good way!