That's a beautiful rig........upon reading your post, however, I blew 3 lumbar discs, a left inguinal hernia.......the big vein along my right temple.........and farted!
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Old dog needs to learn new trick!
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If you look long enough, you can find 10s that can really
handle the fundamental of the low B.
However, they won't have the same mid/high mid punch you expect from 10s.
The 10s you have now may be OK for some time yet
along with a HPF.
It sounds like you could use Fdecks design and have one whipped out faster than he could ship you one
and he's pretty fast!
I'd try the HPF first, before doing anything more.
It'll be quick, easy and not cost much.
Worst case, you end up with a small gadget that may serve you later or can be redily sold.
handle the fundamental of the low B.
However, they won't have the same mid/high mid punch you expect from 10s.
The 10s you have now may be OK for some time yet
along with a HPF.
It sounds like you could use Fdecks design and have one whipped out faster than he could ship you one
and he's pretty fast!
I'd try the HPF first, before doing anything more.
It'll be quick, easy and not cost much.
Worst case, you end up with a small gadget that may serve you later or can be redily sold.
Welcome to TB! And here is a link to the best club on the forum!
Amps...Get off my LAWN! "Grumpy Old Farts"
I too am facing the great abyss here in several years and I'm in your same predictament. Here's something to consider.
Once you get to retirement age, you won't have the income to buy what you need and you'll have to settle for what you have.
So yes, replace your Trace with Eminence Neo speakers and call that good. Then save the cab for a backup. Then hear me out.
The next big consideration, er, the 800 pound gorilla in the room, is weight. Your gear weighs a ton, and as we get older, we usually aren't in the bands that have a bunch of groupies and roadies willing to haul our heavy stuff around anymore. So I came to the conclusion that while I'm still financially able to, I'm going to buy top of the line stuff that will allow me to continue to make a big racket with the least amount of back strain. Here's what I'm building: 1) I'm getting a new micro amp, 500-1,000 watts. I've been looking very carefully and considering all my options. These little tone monsters are now available by most every main vendor out there, but what comes to mind is: Gallien Krueger MB500 or MB800, Gallien Krueger Fusion series, Fender Rumble, Ampeg PF series, Mesa Boogie D800, Kustom, just to name a few. These amps will put out killer volume and weigh under 10 pounds, some of them only 5.
Part 2) Cabinets. This I know is what will give me the grief in the future if I need a full stack to keep up with larger sized clubs. There are many options to buy NEO cabs that weigh 1/4 of what your Trace Elliot weighs and put out a tremendous amount of air. Coming to mind are Gallien Krueger, Mesa Boogie, Fender Rumbles, TC Electronics, and my particular favorite: the AudioKenesis. I'm so excited I ordered an AK H1203, it weighs 25 pounds and two stacked can generate great volumes. And @DukeLeJeune visits the forum often and answers every question personally. Here is the TB forum for them:
AudioKinesis Cabs Part VI...
Now, having said all this, if your current budget won't allow this, take a look at the Talkbass For Sale thread for amps. You will find some amazing deals on used equipment. Many amps that are perfectly working and looking new are sold because the bass player doesn't like the style or sound. Each amp has its own character. But your body will thank you in the long run if you move to the lighter cabs and micro heads, even if you can buy them used.
Then restore your cabinet and leave it in the garage or basement as a backup. But get out there and try out as much of the new stuff as you can. And bring your bass.
Good luck, keep us posted, and welcome to Talkbass!
EDIT: I acknowledge I should have left it to @BassmanPaul and @B-string to extend the invites. I don't want them to get grumpy at me!
Amps...Get off my LAWN! "Grumpy Old Farts"
I too am facing the great abyss here in several years and I'm in your same predictament. Here's something to consider.
Once you get to retirement age, you won't have the income to buy what you need and you'll have to settle for what you have.
So yes, replace your Trace with Eminence Neo speakers and call that good. Then save the cab for a backup. Then hear me out.
The next big consideration, er, the 800 pound gorilla in the room, is weight. Your gear weighs a ton, and as we get older, we usually aren't in the bands that have a bunch of groupies and roadies willing to haul our heavy stuff around anymore. So I came to the conclusion that while I'm still financially able to, I'm going to buy top of the line stuff that will allow me to continue to make a big racket with the least amount of back strain. Here's what I'm building: 1) I'm getting a new micro amp, 500-1,000 watts. I've been looking very carefully and considering all my options. These little tone monsters are now available by most every main vendor out there, but what comes to mind is: Gallien Krueger MB500 or MB800, Gallien Krueger Fusion series, Fender Rumble, Ampeg PF series, Mesa Boogie D800, Kustom, just to name a few. These amps will put out killer volume and weigh under 10 pounds, some of them only 5.
Part 2) Cabinets. This I know is what will give me the grief in the future if I need a full stack to keep up with larger sized clubs. There are many options to buy NEO cabs that weigh 1/4 of what your Trace Elliot weighs and put out a tremendous amount of air. Coming to mind are Gallien Krueger, Mesa Boogie, Fender Rumbles, TC Electronics, and my particular favorite: the AudioKenesis. I'm so excited I ordered an AK H1203, it weighs 25 pounds and two stacked can generate great volumes. And @DukeLeJeune visits the forum often and answers every question personally. Here is the TB forum for them:
AudioKinesis Cabs Part VI...
Now, having said all this, if your current budget won't allow this, take a look at the Talkbass For Sale thread for amps. You will find some amazing deals on used equipment. Many amps that are perfectly working and looking new are sold because the bass player doesn't like the style or sound. Each amp has its own character. But your body will thank you in the long run if you move to the lighter cabs and micro heads, even if you can buy them used.
Then restore your cabinet and leave it in the garage or basement as a backup. But get out there and try out as much of the new stuff as you can. And bring your bass.
Good luck, keep us posted, and welcome to Talkbass!
EDIT: I acknowledge I should have left it to @BassmanPaul and @B-string to extend the invites. I don't want them to get grumpy at me!
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buldog5151bass
Kibble, milkbones, and P Basses. And redheads.
I have two of the RS115's with the "X" driver but I'd recommend the "S" driver for most folks. Mine are dual purpose - I use them as subs for my PA when not just playing bass through them. 25 lbs each - Woo
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Again, this is where my personal knowledge base falls more than just a bit short! In short: I need to get out more! LOL Unfortunately, I have to admit that, in the area of speakers, I'm relying on horribly outdated information and assumptions. In designing commercial sound systems, I started using dramatically smaller enclosures many, many years ago. Why I have found it hard to apply the changes in that technology to my bass rig, I have no bloody idea!!Time to get more open-minded! Thanks for the gentle push in that direction!
I didn't know any of that until I joined here, for years I heard "15's for lows, 10's for mid/hi's"....but I'm still learning and have a long way to go
I built a fEARful 1212/6/1 and *lack* the ability and most of the tools, but i did buy a "flat pack"(precut), and with some help with the crossover I'm very happy with the results
Before I assembled this I got to try a few smaller 15/6's and 12/6's which were crazy light (I could lift with one hand)and could eat a 4x10 for breakfast in terms of volume
Of course if you lack time there are plenty of other examples of light n' loud "super cabs" available right now, I'm just glad I didn't go buy a 6x10 or fridge!!
Good luck!!
Welcome to TB! And here is a link to the best club on the forum!
Amps...Get off my LAWN! "Grumpy Old Farts"
I too am facing the great abyss here in several years and I'm in your same predictament. Here's something to consider.
Once you get to retirement age, you won't have the income to buy what you need and you'll have to settle for what you have.
So yes, replace your Trace with Eminence Neo speakers and call that good. Then save the cab for a backup. Then hear me out.
Good luck, keep us posted, and welcome to Talkbass!
EDIT: I acknowledge I should have left it to @BassmanPaul and @B-string to extend the invites. I don't want them to get grumpy at me!
Great abyss?? It’s simple: you get up in the morning and prepare tp go to work. Then you think “Oh! Yeah!” and go back to bed!!
With reference to your edit: Grrrrrrrrr! LOL
Well I just turned 70 (much to my shock) and bought my first bass in 1962.
You've got me by 6 years. Hell, I'm just a kid again!!
A 1524 came available at a local used gear shop, nearby, back around Christmas. By the time the holidays were over and I got back to the store, someone else had scooped it up....dammit!! Bungs, huh?? Sounds interesting, if not a little weird! TE documents it on their site? Going hunting! Thank you!
The more I read and learn, the more that sounds like the most practical solution. Thanks!
That is a BEAST........but, to me, a thing of beauty!
I'm betting, though, that you're a bit more physically capable of muscling that thing around. I sorta remember being in my forties! LOL If anything, I'd be looking toward smaller/lighter...especially lighter...but thanks for sharing the bass porn! 
Just checked out the website. Now that stuff looks intriguing...and I'm in NH several times a week!! Thanks!!
Welcome to TB! And here is a link to the best club on the forum!
Amps...Get off my LAWN! "Grumpy Old Farts"
I too am facing the great abyss here in several years and I'm in your same predictament. Here's something to consider.
Once you get to retirement age, you won't have the income to buy what you need and you'll have to settle for what you have.
So yes, replace your Trace with Eminence Neo speakers and call that good. Then save the cab for a backup. Then hear me out.
The next big consideration, er, the 800 pound gorilla in the room, is weight. Your gear weighs a ton, and as we get older, we usually aren't in the bands that have a bunch of groupies and roadies willing to haul our heavy stuff around anymore. So I came to the conclusion that while I'm still financially able to, I'm going to buy top of the line stuff that will allow me to continue to make a big racket with the least amount of back strain. Here's what I'm building: 1) I'm getting a new micro amp, 500-1,000 watts. I've been looking very carefully and considering all my options. These little tone monsters are now available by most every main vendor out there, but what comes to mind is: Gallien Krueger MB500 or MB800, Gallien Krueger Fusion series, Fender Rumble, Ampeg PF series, Mesa Boogie D800, Kustom, just to name a few. These amps will put out killer volume and weigh under 10 pounds, some of them only 5.
Part 2) Cabinets. This I know is what will give me the grief in the future if I need a full stack to keep up with larger sized clubs. There are many options to buy NEO cabs that weigh 1/4 of what your Trace Elliot weighs and put out a tremendous amount of air. Coming to mind are Gallien Krueger, Mesa Boogie, Fender Rumbles, TC Electronics, and my particular favorite: the AudioKenesis. I'm so excited I ordered an AK H1203, it weighs 25 pounds and two stacked can generate great volumes. And @DukeLeJeune visits the forum often and answers every question personally. Here is the TB forum for them:
AudioKinesis Cabs Part VI...
Now, having said all this, if your current budget won't allow this, take a look at the Talkbass For Sale thread for amps. You will find some amazing deals on used equipment. Many amps that are perfectly working and looking new are sold because the bass player doesn't like the style or sound. Each amp has its own character. But your body will thank you in the long run if you move to the lighter cabs and micro heads, even if you can buy them used.
Then restore your cabinet and leave it in the garage or basement as a backup. But get out there and try out as much of the new stuff as you can. And bring your bass.
Good luck, keep us posted, and welcome to Talkbass!
EDIT: I acknowledge I should have left it to @BassmanPaul and @B-string to extend the invites. I don't want them to get grumpy at me!
Yup! We're in similar boats...but you'll excuse me if I sometimes tend to sail in circles. Not ready to head for the sunset yet!! Once I get my immediate problem solved, I'm going to continue the search for lightweight gear. It looks like my oldest son might be interested in the 300 lbs. of Trace Elliot (he's a better player than I am, dammit! LOL). He's going to end up, eventually, with all of it, so I figure I'm doing well to squeeze a few bucks out of him now!
In addition to the gear you mentioned, I've also heard some good things about MarkBass. I'm going to do my best to test drive stuff before buying anything, though. I just one day, though, I have discovered what an incredible resource this group/site is! My task just got much simpler, thank you!
Once you do retire, as all retirees will attest, you’ll wonder how you ever had time to go to work!
I didn't know any of that until I joined here, for years I heard "15's for lows, 10's for mid/hi's"....but I'm still learning and have a long way to go
I built a fEARful 1212/6/1 and *lack* the ability and most of the tools, but i did buy a "flat pack"(precut), and with some help with the crossover I'm very happy with the resultsView attachment 816344 at about 35" tall it weighs about 65-70lbs at most(less than many 4x10's) and is the loudest and clearest sounding cab I've ever used, and IIRC the fEARful designs can handle deep lows and highs much better than traditional cabs.
Before I assembled this I got to try a few smaller 15/6's and 12/6's which were crazy light (I could lift with one hand)and could eat a 4x10 for breakfast in terms of volume
Of course if you lack time there are plenty of other examples of light n' loud "super cabs" available right now, I'm just glad I didn't go buy a 6x10 or fridge!!
Good luck!!
Man, that is a cool monster if I ever saw one!
Thanks!!
Thats as big and as loud as ill ever need or want, and it was too easy with the flat pack! I had another TB member ( Kekani) do all the crossover build/ soldering, I just glued the box together and applied Duratex!!LOLIn a few years I do wanna make a pair of 15/6's completely DIY, but I need to relearn some woodshop stuff and learn how to solder, it was way too much fun building this!!
Thanks again
http://media.wix.com/ugd/c44a33_dfde77e46a6b44908fb584d8988da83d.pdf
Here's a link to an SMX User Manual. At the end it goes into the cabinet tuning options.
Here's a link to an SMX User Manual. At the end it goes into the cabinet tuning options.
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As many have already said, I think you really owe it to yourself to get out and play some of the newer "super" cabs. You very well may find something smaller, lighter, and louder, than what you are currently using, that still produces the tone/presence you want. I'm not saying dump the Trace stack, but I think you might be missing out on a great excuse to go play a lot of gear. 
These days I carry a Genz-Benz Streamliner 900 (SVT-style real 3 tube pre-amp, w/900 class D watts), pushing two small 12" cabs (old school Avatar cubes, Dave doesn't make them in this size anymore). It lays waste to most small clubs with just one cab, and can easily rattle a fest stage when I use both. My floor footprint is only 15" square, and my entire rig weighs about 68lbs. Everybody who plays through it has to scoop their jaw off the stage at the power and punch this little bomb can put out. That being said, it is still the sonic equivalent of a pimple on a whale hump compared to what can be accomplished with all the uber tuned/matched stuff, like the fEARful designs.
There are SO many options now for lighter weight gear that can still get the job done. I think you would be doing yourself, and your spine, a disservice by not at least checking out some of the new toys. A lot of the tech to make this happen simply didn't exist in the bass realm 10 yrs ago. It's a whole new world for bass players these days, Deacon. Go gitcha some!
These days I carry a Genz-Benz Streamliner 900 (SVT-style real 3 tube pre-amp, w/900 class D watts), pushing two small 12" cabs (old school Avatar cubes, Dave doesn't make them in this size anymore). It lays waste to most small clubs with just one cab, and can easily rattle a fest stage when I use both. My floor footprint is only 15" square, and my entire rig weighs about 68lbs. Everybody who plays through it has to scoop their jaw off the stage at the power and punch this little bomb can put out. That being said, it is still the sonic equivalent of a pimple on a whale hump compared to what can be accomplished with all the uber tuned/matched stuff, like the fEARful designs.
There are SO many options now for lighter weight gear that can still get the job done. I think you would be doing yourself, and your spine, a disservice by not at least checking out some of the new toys. A lot of the tech to make this happen simply didn't exist in the bass realm 10 yrs ago. It's a whole new world for bass players these days, Deacon. Go gitcha some!
the bungs are similar to plumber's temporary expanding plugs. You can extend the useable tuning but get less volume. No free lunch, wrong direction for you.
I run 1518 with Swr Jr111 with the EQ down on the low end a little more than what the 1518 handles alone. Together it is a big bottom.
Beware that a new batch of tens may not blend so well with the Beyma.
When I am not running my Trace amp I use a poormans HPF in form of a Rane sx21 mini crossover. Only $65. Needs to be in an fx chain or amp fx loop as too little input impedance in its own for passive basses.
