old noob looking for cab suggestions

[Downunderwonder]

That's a nice combination and a really killer deal, IMHO. The issue with mids for me was the off-axis response. In effect, they sound glorious from the front, but once you are about 40 degrees or more to the side, you only get the lows.

I've heard this many times live, and it's not an issue with the UL410 only, it is an effect one observes in all 310, 410, 412, and 415 designs, when the drivers are not in a vertical column. Sadly, it is just the physics of sound.

as a beginner bassist hanging out listening to bands playing with stage volume and vocal PA I would always find a spot right in front of the 410 like a cat sits on the heater vent. I had no idea of the why I just thought I liked a lot of bass and that was the best place to take it in.

Off axis is indeed rubbish ime, particularly when on a short cramped stage with the damn 410 blazing away behind blowing up the room and I can't hardly hear myself for all the other racket going on.

 

[el murdoque]

thems is real watts. Not those newfangled fake microsecond burst watts.

...I could say something along the lines of 'a Watt is a Watt'. But I don't want to.
And luckily, I don't need to. My vocabulary is not limited to class D. I am fluent speaking 'heavy transformers'.
My Lead Sled Peavey Head has 240 real watts. When I play (really) loud rock, I need 412 because 410 won't cut it.
When I play with a medium loud drummer and less of a wall of noise, a 410 is needed because a 212 does not suffice.

I myself recently switched to those new 'supercabs'.
Mine are barefaced 112s. They go louder than I ever need and weigh less than 20lbs each.
The thing is, they can eat loads of power and will do so when you want to go from lout to very loud.
I'd not recommend those with an amp rated at 200 Watts when 'being loud' is important.

 

[marqueemoon]

So, I played a show last night with the 400RB and borrowed 4x10. It the biggest sized place we typically play. In a live situation there wasn’t as much headroom as I thought there might be, but it was enough. it did make me curious about the cab’s efficiency though.

Also the live show confirmed I want some mids! The sound engineer used the direct out of the head to feed the DI and it sounded pretty good in the house, but onstage more midrange would have helped, and it would be nice to be getting that from the cab and still send a relatively flat signal to the board.

Finally there was the weight. Weight-wise the Carvin 4x10 isn’t actually *that* bad, but the size and form factor make it awkward. I’ll also usually have at least one bandmate to help me with stairs, etc...

So, my takeaways were whatever the efficiency of the Carvin I need a more, not less efficient cab and the weight, while manageable is the most I can comfortably handle. If I’m spending money on my own cab it can’t be any heavier, and at least needs to be smaller/less awkward.

I think I’m going to bring a scale down to the practice space on Saturday and try to get a real world weight on the 4x10 and see what I can find for efficiency specs and confirm impedance. My hunch is anything over 100 dB will be an improvement, but it would be nice to know.

 

[marqueemoon]

Can't find an efficiency spec for the Carvin. Tried a Schroeder 4x10 today and quite liked the sound of it, but it wasn't smaller or appreciably lighter than the Carvin, so I don't see the point.

Anyone know a cheaper alternative to the Barefaced Super Twin?

 

[Stumbo]

So, I played a show last night with the 400RB and borrowed 4x10. It the biggest sized place we typically play. In a live situation there wasn’t as much headroom as I thought there might be, but it was enough. it did make me curious about the cab’s efficiency though.

Also the live show confirmed I want some mids! The sound engineer used the direct out of the head to feed the DI and it sounded pretty good in the house, but onstage more midrange would have helped, and it would be nice to be getting that from the cab and still send a relatively flat signal to the board.

Finally there was the weight. Weight-wise the Carvin 4x10 isn’t actually *that* bad, but the size and form factor make it awkward. I’ll also usually have at least one bandmate to help me with stairs, etc...

So, my takeaways were whatever the efficiency of the Carvin I need a more, not less efficient cab and the weight, while manageable is the most I can comfortably handle. If I’m spending money on my own cab it can’t be any heavier, and at least needs to be smaller/less awkward.

I think I’m going to bring a scale down to the practice space on Saturday and try to get a real world weight on the 4x10 and see what I can find for efficiency specs and confirm impedance. My hunch is anything over 100 dB will be an improvement, but it would be nice to know.

Since there were mids in the FOH, I suggest putting the cab up on a stand or tilt it back with a wedge.

 

[Downunderwonder]

Can't find an efficiency spec for the Carvin. Tried a Schroeder 4x10 today and quite liked the sound of it, but it wasn't smaller or appreciably lighter than the Carvin, so I don't see the point.

Anyone know a cheaper alternative to the Barefaced Super Twin?

A used one?

Failing that you should probably build a dual Fearful kit.

 

[matti777]

A used one?

Failing that you should probably build a dual Fearful kit.

Used Fearful 12/6 or 15/6 cabs are affordable and are in the 35/45 lb range. Its a heck of a bang for the buck and I don't know what else would rival it for any money.

 

[Eddie LeBlanc]

Can't find an efficiency spec for the Carvin. Tried a Schroeder 4x10 today and quite liked the sound of it, but it wasn't smaller or appreciably lighter than the Carvin, so I don't see the point.

Anyone know a cheaper alternative to the Barefaced Super Twin?

Which 4-10 Schroeder did you try?????

the 410 L has Neo drivers in it, weighs 51 lbs, but has a freq response of 40 to 18 KHz. It's a 1200 watt RMS cab, but most importantly a sensitivity of 103 Db....... that is probably much better characteristics than the Carvin.

 

[marqueemoon]

Which 4-10 Schroeder did you try?????

the 410 L has Neo drivers in it, weighs 51 lbs, but has a freq response of 40 to 18 KHz. It's a 1200 watt RMS cab, but most importantly a sensitivity of 103 Db....... that is probably much better characteristics than the Carvin.

Listed as a 410L, but drivers were replaced. It was lighter than the Carvin for sure, but the form factor isn’t ideal. With pre, boost, and master set at noon it wasn’t pinning me to the wall or anything.

I’m leaning in the vertical 2x12 direction at this point. A small footprint is important to me. Floor space is limited at home and even more at my practice space.

I did dig the sound of the Schroeder though. Good mix of old school and hi fi.

I looked into the fearful options. I think my best bet there would be to find something pre-built.

 

[Stumbo]

Listed as a 410L, but drivers were replaced. It was lighter than the Carvin for sure, but the form factor isn’t ideal. With pre, boost, and master set at noon it wasn’t pinning me to the wall or anything.

I’m leaning in the vertical 2x12 direction at this point. A small footprint is important to me. Floor space is limited at home and even more at my practice space.

I did dig the sound of the Schroeder though. Good mix of old school and hi fi.

I looked into the fearful options. I think my best bet there would be to find something pre-built.

Vertical 2x12 is a great setup. Add a tilt-back wedge to point it at your ears and a HPF to add clarity and deal with room boom.

 

[Jim Carr]

...Anyone know a cheaper alternative to the Barefaced Super Twin?

Oh Yes! Talkbass classified is the place to look.

fEARful 12/12/6/1 — That's a Greenboy-designed ported cabinet with two 12" Kappalite 3012LF bass drivers, a top of the line 6" mid-driver, and an optional 1" high frequency horn. Light for their size, amazing ability to deliver anything thrown at them, and easy top move. Downside is you need to build one yourself, hire an authorized-builder, or find a used one.

The later is not so hard. I have several fEARfuls of various sizes in multiple locations (none for sale at this time).

I purchased 4 of my five fEARfuls used. (edit: omg, I have 6!) Furthermore, there are kits, with the plywood precut, crossover pre-built, and all the hardware and drivers, wire, etc., included. Contact Leland Crooks at [Invalid or Expired Link Removed]

 

[Eddie LeBlanc]

Listed as a 410L, but drivers were replaced. It was lighter than the Carvin for sure, but the form factor isn’t ideal. With pre, boost, and master set at noon it wasn’t pinning me to the wall or anything.

I’m leaning in the vertical 2x12 direction at this point. A small footprint is important to me. Floor space is limited at home and even more at my practice space.

I did dig the sound of the Schroeder though. Good mix of old school and hi fi.

I looked into the fearful options. I think my best bet there would be to find something pre-built.

Here is a pic of my rig. 12PL Schroeder, and an early model 1212L Schroeder cab dual 12s (the one with the corner load 12). Super small foot print and quite light weight. (With my Berg B|Amp) This rig cooks for me.