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One 15 Cab +two 10" cab vrs Four 10 cab

#21
Thanks for your replies. I have a Mesa/Boogie Buster wedge amp. Mesa Boogie Buster Bass 200 bass power amplifier

i love the amp for it's tone, but my son's practice Eden amp which has a 15 and tweeter has a fuller low end sound and with it being solid state, sounds tighter and cleaner. (Based on what you have said here, it more about the design of the amp than the 15 speaker?) Also my amp is a bear to lift up the basement stairs and into a car for a gig.

I am thinking about selling it and buying a Carvin B2000 head with two separate cabinets. So perhaps buying two Carvin 2 10 cabinets would be a better deal since both would take the same amount of power from the amp. Plus the weight would be less to carry the two cabinets separatly. It looks like I will be going to a store and check out things a bit.

I did go to one store and I heard a Boogie 15 cab with tweeter and the two twelve unit they had had a fuller sound with the Carbine M6.
 
#22
I started reading a lot of the other threads that you guys directed me to. Thanks for them.
It seems if your doing jazz music, 10's are preferred, while if your doing rock music, 15's are preferred. Then of course is a combination factor. Every amp company also has a different sound, so while you may not like a company's bass amp with a 15, another company's amp that has a 15 you may like. Most 15 cabinets also offer a tweeter which helps capture the high end as well being more flexible than the older 15 cabinets.
 
#25
I think I found the amp that will meet my needs. The amp has the following

1.320 watts
2. A 4 10 cabinet with tweeter
3. Built in amp and cabinet combo
4. Weight is only 68 pounds.
5. Not too big to put in a back seat of a car

The winning amp is

The Eden E410c
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My son has the Eden kick back 15 and it sounds really nice. So this amp which is the same series but offers more features and watts should be a great amp. I am surprised this amp is not talked about more. Has anyone actually ever heard this amp?
 
#26
Hopkins said:
Why on earth would you want a 4 ohm cab. You would have no room for expansion in the future if need be, and your volume gains would be minimal.
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I don't get it. Am I the only one who uses amps that are 2 ohm stable? For me, two 4 ohm cabs are fine.

To the OP. Your set up with a 15 and a 210 would work, especially if you want to use only one cab on accasion. But, you could also consider 2 112's. If you have PA support, take one. If not. stack them to move more air.
 
#29
dog1 said:
I don't get it. Am I the only one who uses amps that are 2 ohm stable? For me, two 4 ohm cabs are fine.

To the OP. Your set up with a 15 and a 210 would work, especially if you want to use only one cab on accasion. But, you could also consider 2 112's. If you have PA support, take one. If not. stack them to move more air.
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bassplayer8953 said:
Not true. Many amps will handle a 2 ohm load & thus can handle 2-4 ohm cabinets.
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I think the point here is not so much the absolute impedance rating, but the general idea that if you are buying a single small cabinet, it's worth leaving open the option of expansion, whatever the safe operating limit of your head. Capiche?
 
#30
GrowlerBox said:
I think the point here is not so much the absolute impedance rating, but the general idea that if you are buying a single small cabinet, it's worth leaving open the option of expansion, whatever the safe operating limit of your head. Capiche?
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Ummm. yeah, I think so... I have a 2 ohm capable head. And a 4 ohm cabinet. Others stated 4 ohm cabs leave no room for expansion; I pointed out that, with the right amp, they do. I can add another cab, so I can expand, either 4 ohm or 8 ohm, whatever I want. Therefore, I refute the statement that a single 4 ohm cabinet leaves no room for expansion. What's your point?? :hmm:
 
#31
bassplayer8953 said:
What's your point?? :hmm:
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I thought it was fairly clear, and I'm supporting your point. Hopkins' assertion regarding the use of 4 ohm cabinets clearly assumed a 4 ohm-limited head, and while these are still far and away the most common, they're hardly universal. Nevertheless, his general point is, I believe, valid.

What were we talking about?
 
#33
Assuming a 2 ohm capable head with plenty of power...

I have used: one 210, one 115, and one 410 all 8 ohms, all SWR, and in every combination of any two. Now I use one 210, two 210s (both 8 ohm), a 4 ohm 410, or an 8 ohm 210 plus a 4 ohm 410. All three cabs (see sig) are Epifani.

The 210 UL1 is 34 lbs, the UL1 410 is about 57 lbs, IIRC—easy to schlepp. They make a terrific 610, as when combined EACH DRIVER RECEIVES EQUAL POWER. The 210 + 210 is louder and darker than the 410, but not a lot.

IMHO, the 115 + 210 thing worked poorly because it was not enough power handling (SWR Son of Bertha + goliath Jr. III). Replacing the 210 with a goliath II 410 helped. Replacing the 115 with an Epifani NYC 210 was an "ear opening" experience. My rig had more bottom and could handle more power. I balanced the cabs with the 2 channels of a CA6.

Now that is no longer necessary. I can use any 1 or 2 of my cabs as I wish with an M9. A 2 ohm head is useful, IMHO. BTW, all my cabs and amps were purchased used.
 
#34
Green Lantern said:
I think I found the amp that will meet my needs. The amp has the following

1.320 watts
2. A 4 10 cabinet with tweeter
3. Built in amp and cabinet combo
4. Weight is only 68 pounds.
5. Not too big to put in a back seat of a car

The winning amp is

The Eden E410c
[Invalid or Expired Link Removed]

My son has the Eden kick back 15 and it sounds really nice. So this amp which is the same series but offers more features and watts should be a great amp. I am surprised this amp is not talked about more. Has anyone actually ever heard this amp?
Click to expand...

If you like it, it sounds good & is plenty loud enough for you, then it's good. Congratulations.
 
#35
I love it when people argue side points, rather than the main issue. With that said, I'll give my opinion. My ultimate favourite combo (that I stupidly got rid of) was a 210+118. I'm a fan of the ghetto booty! Indoors, I used mainly the 210 to hear my bass and the 118 to feel it. I've had many sound guys in indoor venues tell me that when I used the 18, they took me out of the FOH mix. Naturally, I disconnected the 18. I could feel the bass from the house subs. Outdoors, the 18 stayed connected, even with subs. I subscribe to the fact that bass needs structure to resonate (sp?). Outdoors, usually, their are no walls, therefore, the 18 gives me what I need. I've tried the 410 route and hated it. I've tried the 410+118 route, overkill in most of my situations. Now, I'm using 215s and, like a spice in a good tomato sauce, there's something missing...the booty! It doesn't seem to go low enough outdoors for my low B, nor handle my high C effectively indoors (even with the tweeter on). Twelves (yes, not part of the discussion) gave me punchy mids, but...no booty! Who cares about ohms or speaker configs or blah blah blah! Try out everything and then make a decision based on what you hear, then figure out ohms (to power the cabs effectively). Don't put too much stock in the science of something that started from the heart! I think too many people get caught up with that and forget why they're musicians in the first place! Anyway, that's my story and I'm stickin' to it!!!!
 

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