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ok, had a great weekend - i ended up ordering BOTH courses. :) I will be awaiting for Ari's book and then the online course...
...in the meantime - i purchased two of the courses on Ebassguitar. (the costs were very minimal)....and i must say, even though i am at a bit more advanced level than the two courses i purchased, i still had fun and they were easy to navigate through for beginners etc. James explains "just enough" in the lesson before he gets right at the playing part - which is something i REALLY like. I have no future aspirations of being a professional (a newbie at playing in my mid 40's), so i dont see any stages and groupies waiting for me after my breathtaking performance. lol
At this point, there are still numerous courses out there - which i will eventually get too - much thanks to those who replied here and PM'd me. ALL were solid replies and input.
I will get to more of the courses available at ebassguitar - as i see he has intermediate and advanced courses as well. :)

...then plunge into Ari's courses to see what that is all about - i guess we can never have too many courses available - just like the amount of basses in our possession! ;)

Cheers - thanks again
 
Update: Incase anyone cares, as mentioned, i ordered both Ari's course and Ebassguitar course... So far - they are both great.
Ari's course is going to be a lengthy process that will hopefully lead to some vast improvements over my playing - she does emphasize one finger per fret - which makes me a lil nervous - having carpal tunnel and tendonitis issues...but i will work with it or around it. She def gets your brain working right away by trying to break the connection between both hands and making them work as separate units (WAY harder than i thought lol)...loving this first challenge :)

Ebassguitar is also a great program - the beginner/intermediate simplicity of his lessons and navigation thru the site, makes it quick and painless to just plug in and go. I have gone on his site and played for awhile then when my brain/hands get frustrated (happens often) i leave and a few minutes later, im back and plugged in right away. He has some great short lessons - very fun and helped keep my interest going... i have one of his links to some cool riff lessons. :) (i think you may have to add an email for him to send the vids too) - but i havent been over saturated with emails since doing it. So i think its safe to do, personally :)
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This weekend - i will continue to practice using both courses and try to learn a song or two. Im gonna slightly highjack my own thread here: When you are practicing using books or online courses...do you practice until you're frustrated or do you do short (20-30min) sessions or an hour +, or just until hands/brain gets tired.
Many thanks
cheers
 
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I would have to recommend Tony grey's bass academy as my #1 site. Very systematic lessons that build on each other. Some of the topics Tony covers that are really interesting, bebop approach sytem, linear solo-ing(solo over multiple key centers), tons of fingerboard exercises(modes, whole range, intervals) Jazz standards, understanding harmony etc.
I've been a member for about 2 years and still only got through about half the content, it's a ton of work, and he will help you structure your daily practice.

SBL is also very good but i find it hard to keep track of what to work on, but he has some really good content. I especially like the groove topics, and chord tone seminars. The guest seminars are worth the price alone.
 
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I think Scott Devine's material is probably the best stuff around presently but my opinion is that not even the absolute best of the best online courses can or should replace finding a good teacher who connects with you in a way that allows you to reach the goals that you have or "discover " ones that you might now have yet.

I love the Information Age that we're in but I'd really suggest finding someone that you connect with personally in addition to or even instead of any online resources.


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Update: Incase anyone cares, as mentioned, i ordered both Ari's course and Ebassguitar course... So far - they are both great.
Ari's course is going to be a lengthy process that will hopefully lead to some vast improvements over my playing - she does emphasize one finger per fret - which makes me a lil nervous - having carpal tunnel and tendonitis issues...but i will work with it or around it. She def gets your brain working right away by trying to break the connection between both hands and making them work as separate units (WAY harder than i thought lol)...loving this first challenge :)

Ebassguitar is also a great program - the beginner/intermediate simplicity of his lessons and navigation thru the site, makes it quick and painless to just plug in and go. I have gone on his site and played for awhile then when my brain/hands get frustrated (happens often) i leave and a few minutes later, im back and plugged in right away. He has some great short lessons - very fun and helped keep my interest going... i have one of his links to some cool riff lessons. :) (i think you may have to add an email for him to send the vids too) - but i havent been over saturated with emails since doing it. So i think its safe to do, personally :)
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This weekend - i will continue to practice using both courses and try to learn a song or two. Im gonna slightly highjack my own thread here: When you are practicing using books or online courses...do you practice until you're frustrated or do you do short (20-30min) sessions or an hour +, or just until hands/brain gets tired.
Many thanks
cheers

I think Ariane's course will most likely take you 2-4 times longer than what they say.

Long story short it's like Jon Liebman's bass aerobics course. One lesson per week basically mean 2-4 hours per day. Maybe even more. I think most of these courses are going to assume that you can put in at least 120 minutes a day. And I crap you not. 120 minutes minimum. Obviously us working stiffs have a big problem with that 120 minutes.

So just be prepared to spend a lot time, as in 1.5 to 3 years to completely get it down. Heck even Hal Leonard Bass Methods, if done correctly will take you at least 1.5 to 2 years to complete all three books and play every song without making a mistake or breaking a sweat. My teacher, a working professional told me not to get discouraged if you can't play every single song perfectly on Bass Methods. It's not as easy as it looks. He said, if you can play all the songs on that book without mistakes and sweating, you a gigging professional. The key is to be able to play it somewhat decent and then move on to the next lesson. Then later go back to previous ones.

Personally, I play 45 minutes. If I am still able to concentrate, I play till I lose my concentration. Then I take a 10 minute break and play another 30 to 45 minutes. I never stop playing before 45 minutes no matter how frustrating. Frustration is just one part of the entire 45 minutes, I know that not all 45 minutes is frustrating.

Lately I don't get frustrated. I just enjoy the challenge. I seriously recommend you to get the Beat Buddy by Singular Sound. It's not cheap but it will revolutionize the way you play the exercises. With this gadget, everything and I mean every single exercise becomes melodic. Just playing the root, 3rd and 5th will become fun. You will get good just playing alolng with this machine. There are cheaper ones out there but trust me, the interface on this thing just kicks butt and is so intuitive. Heck even my 1.5 year old son is starting to figure out this machine. You won't regret it. Trust me. Now save some money and go buy it.
 
I totally agree - and HAPPY to hear that the time-frame is longer than they claim - cuz im already spinning my wheels on one of the first lessons! lol... Its one of Ari's first ones that want you to memorize the fretboard ascending and descending - i cant even bloody well say the alphabet backwards with or without a bass on my lap. hahaha

Agree again Whippet...I have the Beat Buddy - absolutely awesome machine!! I've had it for a year now - i had one glitch with the SD card and their customer service was incredible - they had solutions and if they hadn't worked they wanted the unit shipped back (on their tab) and they would fix or replace it!...and i bought it USED!!! They didn't care. It was a faulty SD card...i just went locally got another one and went to their website to download the firmware and it was perfect again WITH the upgraded software. Great tool - highly recommended as well. :)

I have been dabbling with both Ebassguitar and Ari's courses - its a perfect mix for me. When i feel ambitious i do a couple of Ari's lessons, when i get frustrated, i go back to EBASSGUITAR and then i feel like his lessons are working my confidence back up to attempt another round of Ari's. Its a perfect balance.

Thanks again :)
 
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Another Tony Grey Academy fan here. Very well structured courses, covering all aspects of playing (including correct posture), with tons of exercises, and backing tracks. It does require discipline. I also like his simple and humble way of communicating.

SBL is a great resource but the marketing technique is getting in my nerves. (this <fill in the blank> will revolutionize your bass playing, everything is the single most important exercise)
 
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I totally agree - and HAPPY to hear that the time-frame is longer than they claim - cuz im already spinning my wheels on one of the first lessons! lol... Its one of Ari's first ones that want you to memorize the fretboard ascending and descending - i cant even bloody well say the alphabet backwards with or without a bass on my lap. hahaha

Agree again Whippet...I have the Beat Buddy - absolutely awesome machine!! I've had it for a year now - i had one glitch with the SD card and their customer service was incredible - they had solutions and if they hadn't worked they wanted the unit shipped back (on their tab) and they would fix or replace it!...and i bought it USED!!! They didn't care. It was a faulty SD card...i just went locally got another one and went to their website to download the firmware and it was perfect again WITH the upgraded software. Great tool - highly recommended as well. :)

I have been dabbling with both Ebassguitar and Ari's courses - its a perfect mix for me. When i feel ambitious i do a couple of Ari's lessons, when i get frustrated, i go back to EBASSGUITAR and then i feel like his lessons are working my confidence back up to attempt another round of Ari's. Its a perfect balance.

Thanks again :)

Although people don't talk much about the BeatBuddy on talkbass, this thing is revolutionary. As you know you can set up the metronome in different ways, and this alone is worth a million dollars. There is no reason not to play with a metronome. And if you can't stand that beep, then turn on the Techno beat 1, fancy musical metronome.

I swear some people are so into the bass guitar and having a brand name on the headstock (SX, Sire, Fodera, etc) they forget how to study or what makes studying easier. I was listening to some double bass players talk about practicing and hell...... it puts most of us to shame.

Take a look at this

Lauren Pierce has it right. She does not cut corners. She's about making it simple. No gadgets, no doodads, nothing to fudge around. Just play. Total dedication. This is what it takes to get good.

On another thread the OP was asking for excellent advice from pros. Metronome, fretboard, reading music, listening to others in the band play was what I mentioned. Elementary. Any idiot could have said this. There is one advice a friend of mine who taught me how to rides a motorcycle told me. Although not about music, it applies to everything in life.

Keep in mind, this was guy was fast. Yeah yeah yeah, they all say they are fast. Well there are those that are fast going up hill, like 99% of the guys on youboob, you know the average guy. Then there are guys like me who enjoy going up and down the hill fast. Then there are guys who are faster than me, like the guy on the Duck that blew by me the other week at Hakone (famous hill in Kanagawa Japan, don't know about this place? look up Initial D on youtube). Then there are guys like him, who are in a different category all together. He was the king of Hakone. No one could touch him, no one came close and he did it like I eat toast in the morning. In fact the guy was just fast anywhere and everywhere. Didn't matter where he rode. Heck the guy was fast on a tractor in the rice field!!

He was just fast. So I asked him, how do you become this fast.

He just said '' I have a good day, I go ride the mountain. I have a bad day, I go ride the mountain. It rains I go ride the mountain. My dad died, I rode the mountain. I broke up with my girlfriend, I rode the mountain. I had a horrible day, the next day I rode the mountain. You want to get good, ride like you breathe. If have to try hard doing it, then maybe it's not for you to ride like me, which is okay because you are you and I am me. And this isn't a competition. It's a lifestyle. It will come to you if and when you're ready. ''

Eating and breathing bass, motorcycle, business, etc etc etc. This is the only way anyone is going to get good at anything. Most of us aren't geniuses. We just got to try and live the passion, whatever it may be. If you do this with your heart and soul, (as Auguste Rodin would say), BeatBuddy, Ariane Cap, Jon Liebman, and other systematic studying methods will all find a way to you. You won't have to look for it. It'll come to you, when you're ready.

I swear, this is one of the most important piece of advice I got in my entire life. Things come when you're ready. Then the frustration just goes away. When frustration comes back, you accept it and your heart starts burning fuel and kicks your passion into overdrive and something will magically fall in front of you. Most people are too thick or caught up in their little world to be able to see this. Once someone points this out and you see it for yourself, you'll understand that nothing is coincidence. It happens because it has to happen. But like I said, 99% of the world is caught up in their iphones and social media. They were dull from the day they were born and don't know any better. They will live and die dull. And quite frankly, as my friend said, there's nothing wrong with that. That is, if you choose to live like that. But sadly it wasn't a choice. It was a given for most of them.

Anyway when you get serious, Beatbuddy appears. Then Ariane comes around. Then Lauren Pierce appears and you end up becoming a double bass player and jump ship. Good bye electric, hello Contrabass LOL.

Just don't get a fretless. My Fbass AC6 is the reason how I ended up with a NS design EU6 and that led me to Lauren and that's why I am writing to Charlie Chawick tonight. It was just a natural transition. LOL
 
she does emphasize one finger per fret - which makes me a lil nervous - having carpal tunnel and tendonitis issues...but i will work with it or around it.
Do not get hung up on the 1 finger per fret thing. It doesn't mean that you have to have your hand splayed out and leave each finger on a fret that you are not playing by any means. I play the third fret from my index/pointer finger with my pinky to avoid wrist issues and keep my hand supple, whether that is the same string (e.g. pinky on G if index is on F), or a 5th or an octave. Don't lose the forest for the trees on the 1 finger per fret thing; it is a guideline; not a rule and quite frankly, on 5ths and octaves especially, I think it is a bad idea as your pinky and middle finger will often become less supple than when you use your pinky for 5ths/octaves. Many instructors will advise on 3 fingers per 4 frets, especially in the lower register to prevent strain and injuries, and my experience is that this is a better, more comfortable way. I use for fingers per fret only when I am required to play 4 consecutive frets, which is rare.

I believe I have seen Ariane (and people like Scott Devine and many others) acknowledge this in some of her videos as well. I did some classes at Berklee and the only rule I got was that I need to be comfortable and able to get to the next note cleanly and on time.

So in short; get your pinky in the game more often, especially as you need to start stretching uncomfortably with your ring/3rd finger.

Here's a good video on it:
 
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I got hit by the auto renew twice!!! Jon Liebman's site will charge you. But if you cancel early, you will lose all future lessons up to the point you pay. If you forget, too bad. I was Auto renewed again 1 March 2017. Cancelling it today means I lose all the year's lessons. Bummer.

YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED!

The first time I asked for a cancellation, he merely ignored my request and renewed it for another year. Avoid please. Today was another expensive lesson.
 
Sent on 1 March 2016:

Dear xxxx,

I'm glad you're able to get back on! I always send a "courtesy" email about a month before the renewal so no one is surprised when the subscription renews. Cool?

Jon Liebman
Founder/CEO
Notehead Media Gr


No email sent a month before. And I asked that this not be renewed. Cheap way of earning $.
 
Sent on 1 March 2016:

Dear xxxx,

I'm glad you're able to get back on! I always send a "courtesy" email about a month before the renewal so no one is surprised when the subscription renews. Cool?

Jon Liebman
Founder/CEO
Notehead Media Gr


No email sent a month before. And I asked that this not be renewed. Cheap way of earning $.
Yeah....bad way to do business..... funny I was very interested in his lessons as well. He has a great Xmas promotion of 50% off..I think it's Xmas day or Boxing Day only.
Thanks for the heads up.
 
Yeah....bad way to do business..... funny I was very interested in his lessons as well. He has a great Xmas promotion of 50% off..I think it's Xmas day or Boxing Day only.
Thanks for the heads up.

Latest update (have not confirmed refund):

Hello, xxxx!

Sorry for the delay in responding. I just got back from the London Bass Guitar Show.

I refunded your payment, as requested.

The courtesy notice was sent on Feb 18. If you did not receive it, it's likely because you cancelled your subscription to my email list.

I'm sorry to see you go. In what way(s) did my online bass course not meet your expectations? Your answers may help me improve my site to make it the best it can be.

In the meantime, perhaps you'd like to re-join my email list so you can keep up on the latest info regarding my online lessons. Here is the link: [Invalid or Expired Link Removed]

Thanks again, xxxxx. I hope to see you back soon!

Jon Liebman
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Notehead Media Group, LLC
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Yeah....bad way to do business..... funny I was very interested in his lessons as well. He has a great Xmas promotion of 50% off..I think it's Xmas day or Boxing Day only.
Thanks for the heads up.

Hey, guys. Honestly, I think you make some excellent points. You should be entitled to the entire period for which you paid, even if you cancel early. The current configuration was an unforeseen flaw in the system that’s being addressed (thanks for pointing it out!). And yes, subscriptions do auto-renew and courtesy notices always go out to 6-month and 12-month subscribers about a month ahead of time, to avoid anybody being caught off guard. If there’s an issue, just let me know so we can get it resolved. Sometimes there’s “weirdness” with emails too; no one is intentionally ignored. Thanks for taking the time to check out my bass instruction resources. I truly value sincere feedback and constructive criticism. Wishing you all the best. - Jon Liebman
 
Hey, guys. Honestly, I think you make some excellent points. You should be entitled to the entire period for which you paid, even if you cancel early. The current configuration was an unforeseen flaw in the system that’s being addressed (thanks for pointing it out!). And yes, subscriptions do auto-renew and courtesy notices always go out to 6-month and 12-month subscribers about a month ahead of time, to avoid anybody being caught off guard. If there’s an issue, just let me know so we can get it resolved. Sometimes there’s “weirdness” with emails too; no one is intentionally ignored. Thanks for taking the time to check out my bass instruction resources. I truly value sincere feedback and constructive criticism. Wishing you all the best. - Jon Liebman
Hey thanks for replying Jon! That's a "class act" move - hopefully everyone got sorted out. Can you post a link to your end of year specials? Maybe a quick de-briefing on what it entitles etc?? Pretty cool that you come on talkbass now and then! Cheers. :)