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opinions: 210 and 115 modular rig vs 410
- Thread starter bassman_al
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Thats the exact setup I use (well not brands, but 210/115 rig) Sorry crappy pic, but you get the idea.
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I currently have a 410 but have used both 410 and 210/115 setups. The 410 is punchier but the 210/115 seems to have a fuller and more balanced sound. It's a little more trouble to transport 2 cabs but the taller height makes it easier to hear yourself. I'd add one thing to this - use a 15" with dedicated 6" mid driver instead of a tweeter. The 210 usually has a tweeter already and I'd bet this extra mid presence from the 15 cab would punch up the stack and sound great. I have a 500W 15/6 cab on order and will be able to test this out in the next couple months.
Let us know how that works out for you! My 210 has no tweeter, nor does the 15 I have, so we'll see how they do in a live setting. I know the 210 has the power to cut through the mix, I am hoping the 15 adds enough bottom to make the 2 together sound full and punchy.
The 15/210 combo seems to be the most affordable and lightest answer to "how to get punchy and pillow in the same rig."
The 15/210 combo seems to be the most affordable and lightest answer to "how to get punchy and pillow in the same rig."
The "wavelength" issue is a myth. If a bass note had to develop to its full wavelength in order for you to hear it, headphones wouldn't work.
I chose the 410, but not because I thought it was the better choice. I chose it because I'd rather have the same size speakers reproducing the same freq range than to mix them. In all honesty, I don't think either of them are the way to go. I know a lot of people like their 210/115 setups, but I've never been a fan of mixing cab sizes, even before I knew why I didn't like them. The phasing issues it can introduce always puts me off of them.
I chose the 410, but not because I thought it was the better choice. I chose it because I'd rather have the same size speakers reproducing the same freq range than to mix them. In all honesty, I don't think either of them are the way to go. I know a lot of people like their 210/115 setups, but I've never been a fan of mixing cab sizes, even before I knew why I didn't like them. The phasing issues it can introduce always puts me off of them.
That Trace will treat you well. Get the modular system, stack the 2x10 vertically and start looking for an amp that can bi-amp.
Hey Moose, I have a better idea. You call my wife and tell her all the reasons why I now need a bi-ampable amp! She'll listen to you. I am all out of GAS money, and my credit is no good at her store...
I wouldn't use either the 410 or the 2x10 plus 1x15 - I'd run a 4 ohm dual 15 cabinet to get the full 450 watts from your amp (or use two 8 ohm 15' cabs).
I may be a rare breed, but I've never liked the sound of 10's for bass in any configuration- not to mention horns and tweeters. To me 10's are too midrangey and too well defined - which causes the bass to encroach into the guitarists frequency range.
I may be a rare breed, but I've never liked the sound of 10's for bass in any configuration- not to mention horns and tweeters. To me 10's are too midrangey and too well defined - which causes the bass to encroach into the guitarists frequency range.
My main cab these days is a 73 SVT 810, and my smaller rig is one or two early 60's B-15 cab replicas, one from Link Removed that is a class A product, one from www.fliptops.net that isn't quite as nice but still sounds good.
Quadzilla
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I have a 2x10 for small jobs, a 4x10 for bigger jobs and can stack them for even larger jobs (6x10). They are both Epi UL series. Great sounding and light weight modular setup!
Well, for my taste, I prefer the sound of 10's. As previously mentioned I think it makes sense to keep the speaker sizes all the same as it seems to make it much easier to EQ the rig to the room and there are no phase issues.
And really, if we're talking SMALL gigs, why would you need more than a good 2x10? Depends on the cab of course, but a good 210 puts out a lot of bottom and volume. I have a Carvin BRX210 neo and have never felt the need for anything more in small rooms. In fact, I did a show Saturday night that I thought was indoors, but turned out to be outdoors in a mall.
I always bring my 410 for outdoor stuff, but I just cranked up the bass and the 210 handled it fine. I would not want to carry a second cab myself...if the gig is more than a 210 can handle it's way easier to roll in a 410 on casters.
And really, if we're talking SMALL gigs, why would you need more than a good 2x10? Depends on the cab of course, but a good 210 puts out a lot of bottom and volume. I have a Carvin BRX210 neo and have never felt the need for anything more in small rooms. In fact, I did a show Saturday night that I thought was indoors, but turned out to be outdoors in a mall.
I always bring my 410 for outdoor stuff, but I just cranked up the bass and the 210 handled it fine. I would not want to carry a second cab myself...if the gig is more than a 210 can handle it's way easier to roll in a 410 on casters.
A 2X10 paired with a 1X15 is what I use. It's a great sound. And when I turn up, it really roars.
Hey Moose, I have a better idea. You call my wife and tell her all the reasons why I now need a bi-ampable amp! She'll listen to you. I am all out of GAS money, and my credit is no good at her store...
I'll one-up you. Get one (Sell blood, do things in alleys you would normally not do, however you get the money is no concern of mine) and hide it for a few months at a friends place or rehearsal space, or just under the bed. when she pitches a fit, just tell her "I've had this for a while now, I thought you were cool with it."
Yeah, you could say that
I do mostly oldies, with a little bit of everything from jazz standards to recent rock/pop stuff on a fill-in basis.I vote 2x10 and 1x15. If you're in a wedding band, you want to move people. The 15's tend to do that much better than 10's
Quadzilla
Supporting Member
Ya know, I live near you and am selling my Epi UL310 (3x10) for dirt cheap. Something to think about....
I use a Warwick 2x10 with a Bag End 1x18 (both 8 ohm) for bigger gigs and a 4 ohm Bag End 2x10 for smaller club gigs. SVT-3 PRO or Ashdown ABM500, I've never had a problem cutting through. For me and my old brittle bones, a 4x10 is just too much to drag around to each and every show. And the 2x10 rig fits neatly in the trunk of my Camry!
