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#141
FretNoMore said:
If he wasn't made aware of this restriction so he could bring his own gear instead then I think he had good reason to be pissed off. It's rather clear from the majority opinion here that it was reasonable for him to assume he could use a supplied backline fully.
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I asked OP earlier if he talked directly to this bass player before the show to be absolutely certain he understood the limitations with using OP's rig. I'm still waiting for my answer, although I'm pretty sure it will be a resounding "yes" in response to the direction this thread took.

Either way, it's just counter-intuitive to offer someone the use of something and then put such a heavy restriction on how it is used. I'm going to assume the other bass player didn't anticipate such anal behavior, didn't bring his own rig, and IMHO was fully justified in being pissed off.
 
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#142
OP ... I've posted earlier , voicing similar opinions to yours ...

but please don't forget ... if you really don't wanna hear other people's opinions ... Don't Ask .. !!

I wouldn't disagree with other posters ... we all have our own thoughts on 'whatever' subject ...

how anyone 'feels' about something is totally subjective ... there is no Right or Wrong

the only Expectations you have any control over are your own ... I'd never Expect someone to care for my personal belongings the same way I do .. ! that would just be rather daft ...
 
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#143
DavC said:
OP ... I've posted earlier , voicing similar opinions to yours ...

but please don't forget ... if you really don't wanna hear other people's opinions ... Don't Ask .. !!

I wouldn't disagree with other posters ... we all have our own thoughts on 'whatever' subject ...

how anyone 'feels' about something is totally subjective ... there is no Right or Wrong

the only Expectations you have any control over are your own ... I'd never Expect someone to care for my personal belongings the same way I do .. ! that would just be rather daft ...
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Thank you for this, yes I may have gotten angry a bit at people just saying that I was wrong to do what I do but in my original post I did ask if people ever experinced the same, not do you think I am wrong in what I do but I appreciate everyone's feedback.
 
#145
FretNoMore said:
So, given the opinions here, are you perhaps able to see it looks from the other players' side? How would you yourself feel about it if you were forced to play a gig with a sound that you and your band weren't happy with?
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Yes I see it from the other person's point of view and I would ask after I tried changing the EQ on my bass and my Preamp pedal and if they guy says no then I would just put up with the sound.
 
#146
When I play through someone else's rig I ask where the volume knob is and tell them that's the only one I'll mess with, and then it's the only one I mess with. I've had some pretty bad tone from time to time, but they were few and far between. Besides, it's pretty easy to dial in an acceptable tone with the little twiddlies on your bass.

Also, unless your tone is know far and wide, you and your band mates are the only ones who actually know what "your" tone is, so why be so fussy? If it serves the song how can it be wrong?
 
#147
C'mon folks, the OP isnt a sound company that was hired to provide backline, this is his personal gear he paid for that he is allowing strangers with unknown skill/knowledge use. I wouldnt have offered if it were me. Forced to play a gig with a sound they arent happy with?? Please!! How long does it take to wheel in a cab and amp and run a DI line out if they are that worried about it?
 
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#149
fhm555 said:
When I play through someone else's rig I ask where the volume knob is and tell them that's the only one I'll mess with, and then it's the only one I mess with. I've had some pretty bad tone from time to time, but they were few and far between. Besides, it's pretty easy to dial in an acceptable tone with the little twiddlies on your bass.

Also, unless your tone is know far and wide, you and your band mates are the only ones who actually know what "your" tone is, so why be so fussy? If it serves the song how can it be wrong?
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No my tone isn't known far and wide but it is my tone, yes I may sound like the bad guy here for not letting "random strangers" touch my amp but it's an expensive amp and as I have said before the guy commanded me to let him change my amp and was already tipsy and I have had bad experiences with people who have been drunk using my amp.
Yes I understand the point people are putting across and even though with my condition I will write down my settings and then change the settings for them.
 
#150
Broadbandcorpse said:
Thank you for this, yes I may have gotten angry a bit at people just saying that I was wrong to do what I do but in my original post I did ask if people ever experinced the same, not do you think I am wrong in what I do but I appreciate everyone's feedback.
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When you call out and criticize the other bass player's reaction, and then try to justify your own behavior, it's very hard not to see that as a comparison of "right or wrong."

But if you want a more direct answer to your question, "Have I ever experienced this?", well, here goes:

Never, neither as one who loans or borrows a piece of gear, have I experienced anything like that. And I hope I never will, because once you make the decision to loan something to someone, you don't handcuff and shackle them with unreasonable expectations while you're at it. I'm not trying to be a smartass here but, considering how cautious you are with your rig and untrusting of others, you should seriously consider another arrangement at your next multi-band show other than you backlining the bass rig. I know you don't want to believe it despite pages of responses that confirm it, but the way you went about it casts you in an unfavorable light.
 
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#152
Broadbandcorpse said:
Yes I see it from the other person's point of view and I would ask after I tried changing the EQ on my bass and my Preamp pedal and if they guy says no then I would just put up with the sound.
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So you still think it is reasonable to play a gig with bad sound instead of simply adjusting the EQ on the amp? Let's just hope the guy supplying the backline for you, if that happens, is of another opinion then. ;)
 
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#154
Broadbandcorpse said:
I was wondering if any of you have ran into this and what your response was.
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Broadbandcorpse said:
Any of you guys had a similar experience?
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I've said it before, I'll say it again. And again. And again. And again...

It's just not worth the risk.

Unless the bassist is someone whom I know well - and trust - the answer is "no". Even then, it's not a gimme. I say when and where. I say if. And I don't need a reason or an excuse.

Any "bassist" who can't be bothered to acquire...and bring...his own gear is on his own so far as I'm concerned. I'm not obligated to supply his backline for him.

MM
 
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#155
Broadbandcorpse said:
no he wasn't being considerate, he commanded me to go there and he was tipsy so I didn't want him to be near my amp after that.
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So was it because he disrespected you in front of your mates, or was it because he was drunk, or was it was because he wanted to change your amp settings, or were you in fear of your nice amp being soiled by a stranger?

Oh and BTW, I must have missed the above in the original post.
 
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fhm555 said:
So was it because he disrespected you in front of your mates, or was it because he was drunk, or was it was because he wanted to change your amp settings, or were you in fear of your nice amp being soiled by a stranger?

Oh and BTW, I must have missed the above in the original post.
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It was because he was drunk, like said (and it may not have gotten across to people, for which I appologise) I have had a couple of experience's with people getting drunk, going over to my amplifier and breaking it I.E knocking it over completely or falling into it or just spilling beer into the amp which shorted out the whole amp.
 
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#158
Mystic Michael said:
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Any "bassist" who can't be bothered to acquire...and bring...his own gear is on his own, so far as I'm concerned. I'm not obligated to supply his backline for him.
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You are not always even allowed to bring your own rig at multi-band shows, it takes too much time to switch out the backline, too much space on stage, and is too much hassle for the sound guy. So, given you have to use the supplied amp on stage, it is self evident you also must be allowed to dial in your own settings.
 
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#159
Mystic Michael said:
...I'm not obligated to supply his backline for him...
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Nor is anyone else, but if it's a busy stage with multiple bands and not much time in between, it never hurts to wind up with a "house" rig in the interest of quick change outs. Yes, I know guitar players must have their own rigs and drummers need their kits set up just so, but the beauty of bass is no one notices unless it is really really really awful, or not there at all. When I put together a bass rig I make sure I can't blow up my speakers with too big an amp, even if everything is turned up to 11, so if some wannabe rock god wants to shiver the timbers of the venue, crank away my man.

As with all things, there are exceptions, but for the most part I have no problem being the donor rig if it will help smooth things over in transitioning from one act to the next.
 
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