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Overkill??

Discussion in 'Bassists [BG]' started by bassicinstinct, Feb 11, 2005.


  1. According to the Ashdown website, bassist Jack Daley (who was responsible for the stellar work on Joss Stone's "Soul Sessions" album) recently took the following rig on the road with him to do a Lenny Kravitz tour:

    12 ABM 8x10 Cabs
    4 ABM 2x15 Cabs

    These were positioned 8 cabs at each side of the stage. He used 2 2x10 Ashdown Labs Cabs for "personal montoring" ( :confused: :confused: ).

    There were 3 ABM 900 rackmount heads on stage but the rig was actually powered by an off stage rack containing 3 Ashdown PM 1000 Power Amps and an Ashdown RPM Preamp.

    Not exactly designed for a speedy getaway eh? :D :D :D :D
     
  2. James Hart

    James Hart

    Feb 1, 2002
    toms_river.nj.us
    Endorsing Artist: see profile
    stadium touring with an old school type act.... sounds right to me. :bassist:
     
  3. thats a lot of ashdown!

    i don't know if thats overkill, he probably doesn't use all of them (but then again maybe he does!) I know that a lot of bands will have a lot of cabs on the stage, but they only use one or two, and the others are in case the one or two aren't working properly. i remember seeing a picture of queen's brian may who had maybe about 12 vox AC30s on stage, but the caption below it said he only used three of them. I also remember at a Styx concert i went to last summer, the bassist had 8 ampeg 810s, and the guitarists had 12 marshalls cabs each(!!) but i really don't think that they were running all of them at once. I imagine running all those cabs would have been a lot louder than they appeared to be!
     
  4. ERIC31

    ERIC31

    Jul 1, 2002
    Maricopa, AZ
    Total Overkill. Why would you need that much? Even in an arena. Seems like someone is overcompensating for a "shortcoming" somewhere else..... :D

    At first I thought you were talking about D.D. Verni, bassist for the NY metal band OVERKILL.
     
  5. bass4820

    bass4820

    Jan 3, 2005
    texas
    I think all those amps give people,like those on this site, something to talk about :D i think thats the reason.

    The players are endorsed by the forums
     
  6. Yep, I think it's all kiddology.

    If he had to:

    1. Buy them

    AND

    2. Load/unload them.

    I suspect that things would be very different. :eek: :eek:
     
  7. SciFiGuy

    SciFiGuy

    Dec 27, 2003
    Madison, IN
    Maybe the amp companies pay the big name acts to put EMPTY cabs on stage with them. (They would use full cabs, but the roadie unions rebeled) That way, when sucker wannabes in the audience go to the store to buy, they think they NEED eight.
     
  8. i thought this was going to be about motorhead, but now that i know what its about how many of us here wouldnt want to play through 128 speakers with a bazillion watts behind it? i think it would be cool.
     
  9. Metal Mitch

    Metal Mitch

    Jul 14, 2003
    NJ
    That's what I thought!

    And for the record, they're from NJ. :D

    Re those cabs, I can sort of understand if you're playing a gigantic stage where you're standing like 30 feet away from your amps you may need the coverage. But I've never played a stage that big so I'm just guessing. What I don't understand is the ratio of 12 10s to 1 15. Why bother with the 15s? And how can he even hear the 2x10s? Whatever...
     
  10. I've worked as a humper at several shows down through the years were acts have had empty cabinets in the classic wall of marshall 4x12's stage configuration
     
  11. Because fifteens are so kickass.
     
  12. Metal Mitch

    Metal Mitch

    Jul 14, 2003
    NJ
    I like 15s too. And if I use them, I want to hear them! Which I don't think is gonna happen with this rig.

    It only makes sense if Smash is right - they're just for show, and nobody's gonna hear them anyway. More likely it's just a promo for Ashdown.
     
  13. Eric Moesle

    Eric Moesle Supporting Member

    Sep 21, 2001
    Columbus OH
    They do it simply because it makes the stage look good. Many of them probably aren't even plugged in.

    What would look cooler, a wall of speakers lining the back of the stage, or a 2x10 combo with a mike in front of it running through the monitors?
     
  14. troll

    troll

    Aug 31, 2000
    Chicago area
    I've heard several accounts of Iron Maidens onstage rigs being fake. Behind it was just those cool little GK 2x6 amps mic'd :) For the guitars at least.

    Troll
     
  15. ERIC31

    ERIC31

    Jul 1, 2002
    Maricopa, AZ
    Really? Man, I remember seeing their stuff with NYC on it. They even put it on the cover of their live CD from a while back. NJ huh? Maybe they were fronting the NY thing to look cooler or something.
     
  16. Didn't Adrian Smith and Dave Murray endorse those things?

    I remember seeing Smashing Pumpkins on the tour without Jimmy Chamberlain and Billy had 3 4x12 cabs.
     
  17. NOLA Bass

    NOLA Bass Mr. Worst Case Scenario Man Gold Supporting Member

    Feb 3, 2005
    New Orleans LA
    Back in the days of hairspray, my band toured with a bigger regional act. For clubs, they had 6 Marshall 4-12"s on each side. Of course, only 2 were real, 1 was actually a 2-12" bass cab, and the rest were not only empty but totally fake. They made them and cut Marshall logos out of wood. You can't tell from the audience.
    There is no way that Lenny Kravitz is letting him actually play through all that. For God's sake, Geddy Lee doesn't even use an amp onstage, just industrial dryers!!!!
     
  18. and on the flipside, I remember reading a Guitar Player (I dont think bass player was around yet) interview with a guy who had just accepted a gig w/Ted Nugent. He said he walked out there without earplugs and almost lost his mind!

    So apparently Ted uses real stuff. All the band members had to wear earplugs.

    What's the friggin point???
    Those industrial dryers had some decent tone!
     
  19. Lightning Bolt has 6 cabs between them, and MAN do they use them.

    (Just proof I can throw Lightning Bolt into any thread if I try)
     
  20. SciFiGuy

    SciFiGuy

    Dec 27, 2003
    Madison, IN
    And besides looking cool, it's a lot less obvious than a big backdrop with the Ashdown/Mashall/whatever logo painted on it. Hmmm...I should start selling big tarps painted to look like cabs.