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P/J Question

Discussion in 'Basses [BG]' started by DblG, Nov 9, 2006.


  1. DblG

    DblG

    Apr 27, 2005
    Buffalo, NY
    Hi All,

    I just picked up a Fender 2001 MIA P-bass and it has the J pup near the bridge. (I'll post pics as soon as my DSL is up and running...as of now it's the 22nd, but it's been pushed back two weeks twice now...) It is passive, trans orange w/ tort pg, and is in near mint condition.
    My question: if I turn down the J pup all the way, am I getting a true P bass sound? I was looking for a trans orange P, but this fell in my lap so I took it thinking that this would be the case. The strings are old on it (prob orig) and I haven't played it through my T-Funk/El Whappo yet, so I really can't tell. It sounds OK for what I'm playing it through now (35W practice amp), but I can't wait to put a set of flats on it & plug it into my main rig.
    So, is a P/J a glorified P, or is it a different monster altogether? :confused:

    Thanks,
    Greg
     
  2. DblG

    DblG

    Apr 27, 2005
    Buffalo, NY
    Bump. Nobody, huh?

    Hmmm...maybe I should have posted this in the pup forum? :confused:
     
  3. ClassicJazz

    ClassicJazz Bottom Feeders Unite!! Supporting Member

    Sep 19, 2005
    Delray Beach, Florida
    Well.......yea! If you're cutting off the J PU, that is a true P-Bass. I have a P-Bass Special with the same PU config, but since mine it active, I am sure it sounds a bit different. On my bass I mainly use the J PU and add in a touch of the P-Bass PU to give me some fatness to the sound.
     
  4. kjones

    kjones

    Dec 4, 2004
    Maryland
    I think the general consensus is that P/Js get about 80-85% of the P sound, and I subscribe to that consensus.
     
  5. DblG

    DblG

    Apr 27, 2005
    Buffalo, NY
    So one for a true P-Bass sound w/ the J pup all the way down
    & one for an 80-85% of a true P-Bass sound.

    Thanks guys. Any other opinions?

    I'll post after a gig this weekend as to how it sounds through my rig. I'll be comparing it to my Fender Jazz V with the S-1 switch. I'm interested in knowing how close the S-1 switch makes it sound like a true P, which is why I want to know if my new P/J sounds like a true P w/ the J pup all the way down.

    gg
     
  6. tplyons

    tplyons

    Apr 6, 2003
    Madison, NJ
    I've found that even with the jazz volume all the way down, there is a bit of crosstalk between the Jazz and Precision pickup. Not 100% P-bass, but darn close.
     
  7. BadMonk

    BadMonk Enjoy The Ride

    Feb 25, 2006
    Whitehall, PA
    I've got a 2004 Fender Precision Deluxe - passive - and MIM. I pretty much agree with KJones on the sound. Not quite a P but pretty close...some with the J side.
     
  8. What it sounds like you got was a Hot-Rodded American P-bass. Fender made them for a few years, but discontinued them in 2002 or thereabouts.
     
  9. lefty007

    lefty007

    Jan 19, 2004
    Miami, FL
    Right. . . also the amount of wire that you are using in a P/J is larger than in a single P, potentially lowering the resistance of the entire circuit by 0.003 Omhs, as explained by the following formula:

    R = WL x WT
    _______
    3.2025 x 3 [rw]

    In other words, the theory says if you are trying to get real P sound out of a P/J, you are really cheating your bandmates, your audience, the bass community, and ultimately, yourself.

    I personally can't hear the difference between a single P pickup, and a P/J with the J all the way down, and 99.999% of the world population probably can't either, so. :oops:

    Single P-pickup basses look so cool, though. P/Js? Not so hot.
     
  10. DblG

    DblG

    Apr 27, 2005
    Buffalo, NY

    I know. But I probably don't mind the look as much as you may. But, yes, I was after the regular, plain ol' P when this thing fell in my lap. the ONLY thing I wasn't looking for was the extra J pup! Oh well, I'll get used to it (for now...);)

    Thanks for everybodys input!
     
  11. GlennW

    GlennW

    Sep 6, 2006
    You could disconnect the J pickup, rewire the P pickup with shorter wire, and get back the missing 0.001% of P sound if you're that worried about it.
     
  12. alexit

    alexit

    Feb 21, 2006
    Or figure out some kind of switch to kill the J pickup.

    Or you could just figure that no one's going to tell the difference in the mix unless they're A/B-ing it vs a regular P, and then only maybe =\.
     
  13. DblG

    DblG

    Apr 27, 2005
    Buffalo, NY
    Lets get this straight: I'm happy knowing I'm very close to the classic P tone by turning the J all the way down! I'm not disconnecting anything. 99% is fine with me!:D

    I just wanted to ask because I've never AB'd with a true P, and didn't know if anything silly was going on like the maybe the J pup not being 'totally' off when the knob is turned all the way down. Or maybe the P pup being wired or wrapped differently because of it being part of P/J configuration. It sounds like my thinking was correct in thinking that I can use this bass as a P... And I have a little more to play with!

    Thanks again,

    gg
     
  14. steamthief

    steamthief

    Jan 25, 2006
    Mentone Beach
    Or you could embrace the tonal possibilities of incorporating the J pup, and have a lot of fun doing so! :D

    P/Js rule!
     
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