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P vs P in PJ set --- Can You Tell Which Is Which?

Which track is the P by itself?

  • Track A

    Votes: 83 32.3%
  • Track B

    Votes: 82 31.9%
  • Can't Tell

    Votes: 92 35.8%

  • Total voters
    257
  • Poll closed .
Apr 11, 2005
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Endorsing: Yamaha, Ampeg, Line 6, EMG
People often say that the extra wiring in a PJ setup changes the sound of a P pickup vs how it sounds in a straight-up P. It has always been my contention that it's a load of horsecrap. Decided to put that theory to the test.




Very simple poll here...I took my Hammersmith PJ4 and recorded samples of its EMG Geezer Butler P pickup direct into my Fast Track interface with a 6 ft cable and no effects. Only the P pickup was used. Pots are the usual 250k pots it comes with. For one track, I had it wired the standard Precision Vol/Tone wiring with no J pickup in the circuit, for the other I had both the P and J pickups wired in with Vol/Vol/Tone, and turned down the J.

Your job in this poll is to pick which one you think is the P without the J in the circuit, track A or track B. I've included a "can't tell" option as well, in case you can't tell. Those of you who have a definite opinion and discuss it, please state why you came to that opinion, because I'd really like to know what you're hearing.

Just to head off being annoyed by questions or concerns I anticipate some of you having...

---The EMG Geezer pickups are 100% passive, very much a vintage-style PJ set, and there is no onboard preamp or any other preamps hooked up.

---I did not record a sample of the P pickup wired directly to the jack for two reasons...it involves taking out the pickups to get at the wiring and I didn't want to do it, and because your typical Precision is wired with two 250k pots in the circuit and is not typically wired with the pickup straight to the jack, it has no relevance in this poll.

---Anyone who has a problem with how I did this poll can take a flying leap.

Have fun!
 
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So in 14 hours, only 16 votes and two comments? Sheesh, are you people awake today? Or are you just...

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I have never been one to claim to hear a difference, but listening side-by-side track A seem to have a higher output and more clarity if only slightly.

So, my assumption is that track A is the P with only a volume/tone. If I recall correctly, adding in a second volume increases the load on the circuit and therefore will decrease output and remove some of the high frequency even if its turned fully down.

Did I guess right?
 
I have never been one to claim to hear a difference, but listening side-by-side track A seem to have a higher output and more clarity if only slightly.

So, my assumption is that track A is the P with only a volume/tone. If I recall correctly, adding in a second volume increases the load on the circuit and therefore will decrease output and remove some of the high frequency even if its turned fully down.

Did I guess right?
I'll tell you in a day or so. Let's get some more voting going on and see.
 
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To be honest, I guessed. If I hadn't have heard them side by side, I wouldn't have even noticed the difference.

(BTW, my guess is B = P )

Edit: Now I feel guilty for guessing as it's not very scientific, and we all know that @JimmyM don't want no "caca de toro", so I changed it to "Can't Tell"
 
Ok, can't say which is which, but I think sample A is clearer, less hollow, and more in your face which I like. I'm gonna guess and say that A is the straight P. :)

Honesty without an A/B test, I wouldn't notice a difference, but thank you for doing this comparison!

Edit: I did vote A, but the thread says "can you tell which is wich?"and mine was a guess.. I can't tell which is which, but I hear a difference as stated above.
 
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I'm guessing "B" is the P solo.
If I'm wrong, so be it.

I must say that I do have a Am. Std. Jaguar that uses slide switches to put the pickups into or out of the circuit and the P solo on that sounds more "P" than most PJs I've heard.
 
Track A sounds a little more full through the mids, and a little more round on top.
So that was my vote for the P.
The slight mid scoop and extended highs of Track B said "PJ" to me.

Still, that's splitting hairs -- Track B is absolutely a legit "P-Bass" sound.

Honestly, a 5-10 degree roll-down on the tone knob would probably make them indistinguishable.