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FWIW, every time I need a good laugh I go to Craigslist and read the "band broke up, must sell PA" ads. At the very least, make everyone in the band owns specific pieces of equipment. People come, people go and it gets messy when the PA is owned by the band.

Best of luck.

KO

It won't be messy, we all talked last night and the BL is going to front 100% of the cost, he plans to retain ownership of the stuff. Individual amps and other equipment are up to us. So we are all off the hook financially unless we choose not to be.

At this point we are all just trying to help out in getting ideas and locating decent equipment.

The BL is looking to trade some of his recording equipment with another band for some of their PA equipment.

If it breaks up none of us are out any money other than what we've spent to improve our individual sound and we take it with us if we leave.
 
Hi.

So I take from these posts that no 80's & 90's lead-sled of a systems exists over there in US anymore?

Everything has to be modern stuff, preferably brand spanking new?


Over here that roadies (=the band) nightmare stuff is regularily used, up until we can get enough gigs to justify and finance smaller and lighter equipment. That's just the nature of things, and will get the less financially fortunate bands on the road.

If one shops wisely and doesn't mind the old and heavy equipment, IME $1000-$2000 is perfectly adequate budget for a small scale PA to gig in the 200-300 seaters, and still get requests to turn down.

Sure the bass won't hit You in the chest like a mule, and the hiss may require quite heavy-handed EQing, but it gets the job done.

And anyone with general knowledge with electronics can repair that kind of equipment when, not if, it breaks down.



We all supply our own thing for individual sound with the BL owning the actual PA system.

No "commonly bought" stuff.

What about the repairs, maintenance, "rent", etc.?

I'm not saying the road You guys are on is the wrong one, I'm usually the one with the PA as well, but there's a lot of variables in each way to do it. And it's more or less about money and the depreciating value of the stuff used, so clashes are bound to happen.

Unless the band is the BL with a bunch of hired hands, that is.
Then it's very, very simple, obviously.

Regards
Sam
 
Hi.

So I take from these posts that no 80's & 90's lead-sled of a systems exists over there in US anymore?

Everything has to be modern stuff, preferably brand spanking new?


Over here that roadies (=the band) nightmare stuff is regularily used, up until we can get enough gigs to justify and finance smaller and lighter equipment. That's just the nature of things, and will get the less financially fortunate bands on the road.

If one shops wisely and doesn't mind the old and heavy equipment, IME $1000-$2000 is perfectly adequate budget for a small scale PA to gig in the 200-300 seaters, and still get requests to turn down.

Sure the bass won't hit You in the chest like a mule, and the hiss may require quite heavy-handed EQing, but it gets the job done.

And anyone with general knowledge with electronics can repair that kind of equipment when, not if, it breaks down.





What about the repairs, maintenance, "rent", etc.?

I'm not saying the road You guys are on is the wrong one, I'm usually the one with the PA as well, but there's a lot of variables in each way to do it. And it's more or less about money and the depreciating value of the stuff used, so clashes are bound to happen.

Unless the band is the BL with a bunch of hired hands, that is.
Then it's very, very simple, obviously.

Regards
Sam


Thanks for the info, Sam!


Well, here's an update.

We are well on our way for cheap money.

Here is where we are at;

Our BL traded an old DAT recorder that he wasn't using along with an outdated CD burner for some speakers and a crossover.

The mains are McCaulays with aluminum driver horns. Huge, heavy, and WICKED loud. adjustable atenuators. In addition, there were two subs that were included, one is loaded with a Peavey Black Widow, but the subs are mismatched. The second sub has an unknown speaker, but they ohm out the same so the impedance is probably a good match. One main had a horn driver replaced, and he gave us another brand new horn driver (matching) for the second main if it were to die as well.

He was not able to get a power amp or the cables with the speakers.

Our BL has a 16 channel Mackie 1604 mixer that he's been sitting on for a while, so we have a decent pre amp mixer I guess.

These speakers were being used up until a couple months ago. They were set up for demo when Sonny and I got there. Worked 100% perfect, not one single issue. Extremely loud, I stood about 200' away and I could actually feel the thump from the subs (the old owner just ran an mp3 player through the amp for demo). Old owner claimed that he had consistently run 2000W (peak) through them for his band's shows.

They're just kinda ugly. Need some TLC for presentation.

Unfortunately, the tech-stuff is being dropped on me now. I didn't want to do it, ha ha, but I've been 'appointed' to figure out how to put this stuff together, which, honestly, I have almost no clue exactly how to do it. So pointing me in the right direction as far as a book I can buy, or basic info would be great.

Assume that I am an idiot. Because when it comes to this stuff I basically am an idiot.

As far as out-of-pocket expense, we are currently out zero dollars. But we will have to buy cables and power amps.


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Hi.

IMHO good choices there.

Since You're upgrading as you go and the whole budget is more or less still there ATM, I'd recommend spending some extra cash now for a pair of some nice new PA amps. Those will serve You well in the future as well, even though you'll probably upgrade to powered speakers at some point.

Do buy quality, even if it's used equipment You'll end up purchasing, easier to maintain.



The cables are tricky.

High quality cables with high quality ends (:cough: Neutrik :cough: ) tend to cost a lot.
The temptation of buying the cheapest bulk cables is therefore very strong.
It's also IME the worst possible option.

The best option IME/IMHO in the long run is to roll Your own, that way you don't have to rely on someone else to maintain 'em, and it's way cheaper than buying the on-line crap as well.

Since You guys are looking at a spesific number of cables, getting quotes from cable manufacturers may yield surprisingly good deals.



As for the SR-ed. I can't recommend any of the many books out there since I haven't used any, but all the textbooks used by the music colleges and high schools should be more than adequate for Your purpose.

All the Pro-SR companies like JBL have their tech flyers and SR-FAQ's and manuals online, so that's one option worth looking at as well.

It's nice to be the "tech" in a band, but it will become very tiresome at times, so do make sure it won't interfere with the enjoyment playing music gives You.

Regards
Sam