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Pairing Ampeg 410HLF and 410HE

JonnyBassman101

JonnyBassman101

Apr 4, 2011
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Derry / Londonderry
jdfb.co.uk
#1
Hi guys,
I've owned an SVT-CL, and 410HLF for just over 2 years.
I feel i want to add an extension cabinet so i can hear my self better on stage etc (amp being higher/ closer to ear level)
I am considering adding a 410HE, as i want more midrange, without the ported cab. So technically overall the rig would be a "810HLF"
I just want to know if this is technically possible, and that both cabs would be getting the same power, i understand the HLF is a 4ohm cab. And the SVT can go down to 2 ohms.

Thanks.
 
#5
I think the HLF is way more of a pain than the 810. Lower. The HE at least rolls in any direction. The 810 is one lift. Look what the drummer has to bring. It's still better than having to lug all that stuff around. And, using two HEs, the distance to the top of those is higher than the 810.
 
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JonnyBassman101 said:
To be honest i do, but the transport is the issue, I guess pairing 2 410HE's is would be best option? but the problem is, the SVT can't run one 410HE by itself due to it being an 8ohm cab. I wish there was a 4ohm 410he.
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If you cant transport an 810e, then you will not be able to transport a 410HLF and a 410he.

Maybe you should be looking at a Ampeg 212AV or two.
 
#7
A couple of comments:

Your SVT can survive a single 8 Ohm load just fine, even if it is not optimal.

Sending twice the power into the 410HLF is just fine, it will take a lot more abuse than the 410HE.

There are two "generations" of 10" speakers in the modern era non-Heritage SVT Ampegs; the US made that have a darker tone ande the current Asian made ones, which are brighter.
I run the Asian made 410HLFs and do not feel my sound is lacking mids, even if many other cabs are more "articulate". For the older, MIA cabs, the tone is definitely "woolier" than I want.

A sealed 410HE mates pretty OK with the 410HLF. I am quoting myself from another, similar thread:
The SVT-15E is a vented cab and as such, it has a "non-linear phase" response (phase shift)at the tuning frequency of the box, which is then gradually "returning to zero-ish" ("in phase") a chouple of octaves up from that frequency. The SVT-210AV is a sealed box with a much flatter phase response. Just looking at the phase plots of these two cabinets, one can see that they will not "mate well" in the deep bass. You will get "phase issues".
HOWEVER! The 210 starts rolling off very high up, compared to the 15, so down at the frequencies where "phase problems" will occur with these spoecific cabs, its output is very low compared to the 15. In reality, for the "summed" deep bass output of the two cabs, it hardly matters which "phase" the 210 has, as it contributes so little compared to the 15.
In the upper bass and in the mids, the cabs will be in phase.
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AlexanderB said:
A couple of comments:

Your SVT can survive a single 8 Ohm load just fine, even if it is not optimal.
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And that is according to Bill Hughes, the inventor of the SVT. It can also stand a 2.67 ohm load. However, I'm not as happy with the tone as when I run it regulation...gets a little compressed to my ears.

Sending twice the power into the 410HLF is just fine, it will take a lot more abuse than the 410HE.
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Don't know about twice the power, but it will take considerably more because of the design of the speakers and how low they go.

There are two "generations" of 10" speakers in the modern era non-Heritage SVT Ampegs; the US made that have a darker tone ande the current Asian made ones, which are brighter.
I run the Asian made 410HLFs and do not feel my sound is lacking mids, even if many other cabs are more "articulate". For the older, MIA cabs, the tone is definitely "woolier" than I want.
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The dark years are 2000-2006, and this seems to go for 810e, 410he, 610hlf and 410hlf. Not sure about the 15e, but sure about them.

A sealed 410HE mates pretty OK with the 410HLF. I am quoting myself from another, similar thread:
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I've never done it but I have seen that combo before.
 

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