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#41
Moosehead1966 said:
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That said, read John's overdrive pedal review page. It's extensive and helpful: Lots to consider:http://johnkvintageguitars.homestead.com/Overdrive-Pedals.html

Marc
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Finally!

Whether people agree with JohnK's taste regarding Darkglass B3k or not, he has a lot of great info in the link Moosehead1966 posted.


Ultimately @Shushamouth, you've got a lot of reading up and then listening to do because none of us can hear the sound that's in your head that you are seeking.

Wishing you best of luck,
FF
 
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#43
JOhnK and BFUnk are very accurate in their statements. DG pedals have a baked in flavor that you cannot dial out (although you kind of can with the B7K with that blend knob). That is part of the attraction for some, and part of the turn for others obviously. Nothing wrong with that at all. I OTOH love my B7K. I dont think Ill ever play without it again. I use it as a clean preamp and somewhat of a boost and tone shaping/EQ. I can even dial in some dirt from it if I wanted to. The great thing about the B7K is the blend, you can dial in or out as much of the B7K's flavor as you want. I keep my blend around noon, that way I get as a perfect mix of my clean tone and DG bite. Im not associated with DG in any way. I am def a fanboy for sure and I love the pedals I use by them.

It almost sounds like what you need is a good preamp that can perform the things I named above, tone shaping, a little boost, EQ and the possibility to dial some grit into the signal with it. For your type of music I cant imagine what would be better than the B7K. Its aggressive, its punchy, it has a ton of clarity, it will handle your low tuning like a champ and it will help you cut through those pesky metal guitars like hot butta. The B7K is spendy but man, is it worth it. And so much more. To me.
 
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#45
After listening to the video, I don't think she needs overdrive at all. In fact, the music will loose a tightness it needs if she adds a lot of overdrive to the already very crunchy guitars. I suggest investing in a really good comp. It will give the bass more definition and punch. The bottom will be tight and distinct. It will sound more like a tunable kick-drum.
 
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#46
monkeyfinger said:
After listening to the video, I don't think she needs overdrive at all. In fact, the music will loose a tightness it needs if she adds a lot of overdrive to the already very crunchy guitars. I suggest investing in a really good comp. It will give the bass more definition and punch. The bottom will be tight and distinct. It will sound more like a tunable kick-drum.
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but listen to this:



and this



definitely the dg pedals will enhance her tone...
 
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#47
The B3K (and EVEN MORE, the B7K) are I believe perfect for the OP's needs. The baked-in tone is the reason people like these boxes. I personally don't even use the drive on my B7K, I just use the baked-in tones (you can choose from a few) and the eq. For many applications, it's absolutely perfect.

If you do use the overdrive on on the DG boxes, they can still have plenty of definition and tightness, as the previous videos show.
 
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smeet said:
The B3K (and EVEN MORE, the B7K) are I believe perfect for the OP's needs. The baked-in tone is the reason people like these boxes. I personally don't even use the drive on my B7K, I just use the baked-in tones (you can choose from a few) and the eq. For many applications, it's absolutely perfect.

If you do use the overdrive on on the DG boxes, they can still have plenty of definition and tightness, as the previous videos show.
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These were exactly most my thoughts. The B7K is perfect for what she wants. It will tighten the heck out of your tone and give it tons of definition.
 
#49
Without reading the entire thread, I assume the range of advice on dirt pedals is probably well covered after 3 pages, so I probably don't have much to add there.

But my next thought was to ask if you are using the proper guage strings for each tuning? Drop D shouldn't require anything special, but Drop-B would be challenging without proper strings and setup.
 
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#51
gregmon79 said:
JOhnK and BFUnk are very accurate in their statements. DG pedals have a baked in flavor that you cannot dial out (although you kind of can with the B7K with that blend knob). That is part of the attraction for some, and part of the turn for others obviously. Nothing wrong with that at all. I OTOH love my B7K. I dont think Ill ever play without it again. I use it as a clean preamp and somewhat of a boost and tone shaping/EQ. I can even dial in some dirt from it if I wanted to. The great thing about the B7K is the blend, you can dial in or out as much of the B7K's flavor as you want. I keep my blend around noon, that way I get as a perfect mix of my clean tone and DG bite. Im not associated with DG in any way. I am def a fanboy for sure and I love the pedals I use by them.

It almost sounds like what you need is a good preamp that can perform the things I named above, tone shaping, a little boost, EQ and the possibility to dial some grit into the signal with it. For your type of music I cant imagine what would be better than the B7K. Its aggressive, its punchy, it has a ton of clarity, it will handle your low tuning like a champ and it will help you cut through those pesky metal guitars like hot butta. The B7K is spendy but man, is it worth it. And so much more. To me.
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this is very true, the sound is very "baked in" unless you shut off the blend , it then acts as a very awesome hifi eq and boost's very important midrange frequencies, it also slightly compresses your tone in a pleasing way
 
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#52
B3K. No one does it like Darkglass. I love my Vintage Microtubes but sounds like you need a little more OP, and that's the B3K. That said, my tube-based VT1-EQ-Bass-Drive pedal from DHA gets really heavy if I hit the colour switch - it's practically the only pedal I ever need. A real tube to boot, so I get some yummy warmth with it even without having to get really tube-driven.
 
#57
Shushamouth said:
Thank you all for your response it is much appreciated. I was able to tweak to my settings a little bit today and get it slightly where I wanted but alas, with the guitars I'm still left wondering if there is much more I can do. I'm dealing with distortion and then cleans.
I was looking into other metalcore bands and I came across the Sansamp RBI, what are your opinions on this?
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Just watched the video you posted. A Sansamp RBI or Bass Driver DI would work for you, I used one in a similar styled band for years. They can be very versatile, and live sound engineers will love you for having one.
 
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#58
You also havent mentioned what your guitarists are playing through. If theyre both playing through 100 watt full stacks cranked to 11 i have some doubt that a pf 500 will have enough juice to get through regardless of your eq.
 
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If you're playing with low tuned distorted guitar it might not really be overdrive you're looking for. If anything dirty bass may get even more lost in the mix. Maybe boost the mids a bit? Maybe a clean boost? There are no set rules though, it might be some dirt you need. I like my Tech 21 VT Bass.
 
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