Phil Jones lacks bottom?

[fatim]

I´ve been playing (blues) with the Phil Jones Suitcase
together with the 4B extension cab for about a year. I tend to feel the rig lacks some bottom/low end.

Was thinking of replacing the 4B extension cab
with e.g. an Ampeg 1x12 or 1x15.

Anyone thoughts / experience on this?

 

[p-nut95]

thats funny I was thinking of adding the extension cab to my eden 2x12

 

[GM60466]

I test drove a PJ and came away with that same feeling. 1 nut short of being ballzy

GM

 

[allexcosta]

Unfortunately, the piranha speakers don't move a lot of air and they fart out fairly easily. There's so much stuff better than Ampeg that it'd be my last choice. DrBass, BagEnd, Bergantino, Epifani, these are all good to go, and 1x12 should do it.

 

[fatim]

Maybe Aguilar 1x12 would be a good supplement
to get some more bottom? I´ve heard good things
about the Auguilar 12´s

 

[lomo]

IME the PJ stuff doesn't lack bottom at all, but it's inefficient in terms of air moved per pound and per dollar. I had the suitcase/ext setup and it wasn't loud enough-seemed quieter than my Epi 210 and LM11 with the same power. I sold it and much later picked up a used 9B that sounds huge. However, that monster is thirsty. Currently I have it under a Carvin BX1200, pushing 800 watts through it. It's not nearly as loud as other cabs out there, but the bottom is exceptionally well-defined and thick. It sits in my basement as a rehearsal rig, since the cab (75lbs) and head (35lbs) are way heavier than I need to haul.

 

[fatim]

Inefficient in terms of air being moved;
what´s the impact of that really soundwise I mean?

 

[lomo]

Inefficient in terms of air being moved;
what´s the impact of that really soundwise I mean?

IME the bottom is good at low volumes but requires more cones and/or wattage to reproduce at satisfying, room-filling volume.

 

[fatim]

Does this mean it would help adding a 1x12
or a 1X15 , i.e. replacing the 4B cab ?

 

[lomo]

There's no doubt that replacing the ext will give more volume and fatness for the combo's 300 watts. A 210, 112 or 115 will all change the volume and tone. I'd make sure to get something as efficient as possible (I'm partial to Epi and Schroeder).

 

[Son of Bovril]

that means it's not very loud for what it is...

 

[Son of Bovril]

maybe try adding an eden 210 XST if you want more bottom...

 

[MODNY]

if i was looking for big bottom, IMO i wouldn't even have considered the phil jones to begin with

 

[fatim]

Good point Modny, but that´s were I stand
at the moment. I think Phil Jones is good
really , but could maybe be improved by adding
some more bottom.

 

[BassmanPaul]

Add an Acme B2, it'll give you bottom for days!

Paul

 

[macmrkt]

My PJB neo's move a lot of air - no prob on the bottom. Setup close to a rear wall. Try a higher power head. Check out the comments here:
http://www.talkbass.com/forum/showthread.php?t=231764&page=11
Note: SirFunkalot is Phil Jones.

 

[fatim]

I got a chance to borrow a Marbass 1x15 cab from
a friend which I tried out at our latest rehearsal,i.e
I exchanged the 4B ext cab with this 1X15.

I was very happy with the result. It really made
a difference. It added the bottom that I´ve missed
and they sounded great together.

However I don´t think I need a 1x15 and I don´t
think MarkBass is the brand either I´ll go for. I will
most likely order an Aguilar GS112 on Monday. I´m
sure that will sound even better.