Phrases bassists should stop using immediately

[beyondhairy]

So the drummer locks with the bassist?

pretty much, thats the case a lot of the time... when adam or justin write these riffs or lines in odd time sigs, danny is forced to write a beat behind it thats also in a crazy time sig. hell, youll even here him playing poly rhythms here and there too

 

[Murf]

What he's referring to is masturbation--with flair. There's no school for that.

Yes, but is it purple??

 

[BassManPatsFan]

pretty much, thats the case a lot of the time... when adam or justin write these riffs or lines in odd time sigs, danny is forced to write a beat behind it thats also in a crazy time sig. hell, youll even here him playing poly rhythms here and there too

But he's still the drummer and his main job remains to keep time...that's what drums are for, right?
Just because the guitarist or bassist wrote a riff doesn't mean they "lead" it. Maybe i'm not sure about what you mean, though.
-Alex

 

[beyondhairy]

But he's still the drummer and his main job remains to keep time...that's what drums are for, right?
Just because the guitarist or bassist wrote a riff doesn't mean they "lead" it. Maybe i'm not sure about what you mean, though.
-Alex

i dont think the drummers main thing is to keep time.. but it is certainly a big part; for me anyway...

but what im saying is this: traditionally, the drummer would lay down a beat then the bass player would put something on top of it according to what the drummer is playing..

but whats happening with tool is the bass player/guitar player play a line/riff and the drummer is playing something according to what the bass/guitar player is playing

 

[dls59]

i dont think the drummers main thing is to keep time..

 

[beyondhairy]

yep lol

i mean, its no more my job or my guitar players job to keep time/stay in time as it is the drummers job.. it doesnt matter that im picking and my drummer is beating.. we are all supposed to keep and stay in time..

 

[Brad Johnson]

pretty much, thats the case a lot of the time... when adam or justin write these riffs or lines in odd time sigs, danny is forced to write a beat behind it thats also in a crazy time sig. hell, youll even here him playing poly rhythms here and there too

Then they're "locked". If they weren't it appears the songs wouldn't work. And if you agree with Jimmy 100% you feel they shouldn't have to be? I guess I'm not getting your point.

 

[beyondhairy]

Then they're "locked". If they weren't it appears the songs wouldn't work. And if you agree with Jimmy 100% you feel they shouldn't have to be? I guess I'm not getting your point.

jimmy stated that he is against the idea that the drummer lays a beat and the bass plays something in accordance to the drum..


so the layering goes drums at the bottom and bass on top of that..


what im saying about tool is that the bass player can lay down a rhythm and the drummer will put something ontop of it, so the drummer is following the bass, not the other way around

 

[Brad Johnson]

i dont think the drummers main thing is to keep time.. but it is certainly a big part; for me anyway...

I agree... it's everyone's main thing to keep time. Whether or not they do it is another issue entirely.

In some genres other musicians look at drummers to keep time. It's a fairly simplistic way to look at playing together but it is what it is. In others, like Jazz, everyone's responsible.

but what im saying is this: traditionally, the drummer would lay down a beat then the bass player would put something on top of it according to what the drummer is playing..

So many exceptions to that it's not funny. I start stuff quite a bit on bass and the drummer comes in later. A guitarist could start a song and then the drummer could come in. Keyboards, vocals, anything else could start a song and the drummer could come in afterwards. And he should probably play something relevant to what was set before him/her.

but whats happening with tool is the bass player/guitar player play a line/riff and the drummer is playing something according to what the bass/guitar player is playing

Yes... and? That's fairly normal if they came up with the structure for the song. How would the drummer start an original song by the bass player until he heard, read or was told what to do?

 

[dls59]

I agree... it's everyone's main thing to keep time. Whether or not they do it is another issue entirely.

I agree that it's everyone's job to keep time. But it's the drummer's primary job.

 

[KeithBMI]

It seems to be the drummer's job to do really long fills and practice parts from a different song while I'm trying to talk.

 

[beyondhairy]

It seems to be the drummer's job to do really long fills and practice parts from a different song while I'm trying to talk.

my drummers primary job is to not want to jam for a month or 2 then sceduale a jam and cancel it the morning of the jam while im on my way out of the door...

 

[JAUQO III-X]

I think most drummers should be shot in their heads,they know who they are and why.

 

[JimmyM]

Exactly my point, Jauqo!

 

[Eric Perry]

I think most drummers should be shot in their heads,they know who they are and why.

 

[Chunk-O-Funk]

Wait a second! No one ever told me you can shoot your drummer. Can I do this when ever they act up or is it more like a seasonal thing?

Personally, I just don't like the way they just leave all their empty cases all over the place. I think If I can shoot just one drummer (in season) it will never happen again.





of course.

 

[Josh Ryan]

Wait a second! No one ever told me you can shoot your drummer. Can I do this when ever they act up or is it more like a seasonal thing?

Personally, I just don't like the way they just leave all their empty cases all over the place. I think If I can shoot just one drummer (in season) it will never happen again.





of course.

Leave his corpse behind the kit as a warning to his friends.

 

[Bass Viking]

What he's referring to is masturbation--with flair. There's no school for that.

Nobody's mastubating. Their sacks hurt too much.

 

[Brad Johnson]

jimmy stated that he is against the idea that the drummer lays a beat and the bass plays something in accordance to the drum..


so the layering goes drums at the bottom and bass on top of that..


what im saying about tool is that the bass player can lay down a rhythm and the drummer will put something ontop of it, so the drummer is following the bass, not the other way around

If the bass player can't arbitrarily go in another direction after they start, what is the difference who started the lock? They're locked either way... aren't they? If you walked in two minutes into the song, how would you determine which "layer" was which?

 

[Brad Johnson]

I agree that it's everyone's job to keep time. But it's the drummer's primary job.

Not the drummers I play with. Their primary job is to be musical. On many occasions I'll keep time while a drummer will go out in left field. It works.

Not many things worse than playing with a drummer who keeps time but isn't playing the song. I did a gig recently like that and it sucked to high heaven. He played the wrong beats, IN TIME, and did extended, no room for anything else fills every fourth measure... I'm guessing to somehow mask the fact that he didn't know any of the songs.

But he kept time.