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Phrases bassists should stop using immediately

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There is nothing wrong with it.

It's silly to make a 'rule' against something that works for some very fine players.

However, versatility is good too. So as a beginner, it would be good to learn how to play fingerstyle as well, particularly because it seems more in demand.
 
I kinda feel the outside the groove idea... punk rock/metal (the real stuff, not the pop stuff) is on top of the beat a lot of the time creating tension. I don't consider that groovin'.

You can have tension with a groove.

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what's so wrong with using bass plectrums? surely is they are made then there is a need for them. I understand perhaps it sounds a little 'warmer' or however you would describe it . . but what if you don't want warm? I just started playing (9 days ago) and use a plectrum i caught at a staind gig. But my friend keeps telling me not to use it even though he only plays guitar. what's so wrong with it?

There's nothing wrong with playing a pick. Anyone who tells you otherwise is doing you a big favor... you know upfront they're likely not very bright and as such probably shouldn't put much merit in anything else they have to say.
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It still sounds like you think only Jamerson/Verdine White kind of stuff grooves. All music grooves. If it didn't, it would be noise.
-Alex

Only if you stretch the definition of groove so far it becomes empty. The word refers to everything, precisely because it means nothing.

If "All music" grooves, don't waste time telling a learner to groove, because the moment they play music, by definition they can't not groove. It's a useless concept.

Isn't it just more sensible to keep groove to Jamerson/White kind of stuff? You know, shake your hips get up and dance? I think that's what most people think when they hear the word. Why add confusion by forcing it to mean everything from Mozart, to Gregorian chants, to Tuvan throat singing?
 
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Only if you stretch the definition of groove so far it becomes empty. The word refers to everything, precisely because it means nothing.

If "All music" grooves, don't waste time telling a learner to groove, because the moment they play music, by definition they can't not groove. It's a useless concept.

Now that's a stretch:D

The moment a learner plays, chances are slim to none that they'll possess the skill level to groove.

I agree that all music doesn't necessarily groove... but that doesn't mean it can't.

Isn't it just more sensible to keep groove to Jamerson/White kind of stuff?

No

You know, shake your hips get up and dance? I think that's what most people think when they hear the word. Why add confusion by forcing it to mean everything from Mozart, to Gregorian chants, to Tuvan throat singing?

Or oversimplify it.
 
Only if you stretch the definition of groove so far it becomes empty. The word refers to everything, precisely because it means nothing.

If "All music" grooves, don't waste time telling a learner to groove, because the moment they play music, by definition they can't not groove. It's a useless concept.

Isn't it just more sensible to keep groove to Jamerson/White kind of stuff? You know, shake your hips get up and dance? I think that's what most people think when they hear the word. Why add confusion by forcing it to mean everything from Mozart, to Gregorian chants, to Tuvan throat singing?

It's pretty easy to not groove if all music grooves in it's own way. An example of not grooving would be when you play stuff at the limits of your ability. You might get it spot on note for note, but it actaully can show if your straining to play something. Rather than relaxing into playing something you've practiced to near perfection
 
I hate these phrases, never use them ever, and I think anyone who does should be kicked in the sack repeatedly:

"The bass has to lock in with the drummer." Get real! First off, so many bassists misinterpret this as only playing when the bass drum plays. Second, maybe I don't feel like goosestepping in formation with the drummer. Maybe I feel like playing behind the beat, or pulling it a little. Or maybe I feel like ignoring the drummer and playing something completely different than him. Tell me I have to lock in with the drummer and I will tell you to get bent.

"It's all about the groove." Yes it is, if you're playing groove-oriented music like R&B or funk. But what about all those other types of music? Groove in a metal song and you're liable to be told to stop playing like a wuss. Groove in an old-school jazz tune, and you're liable to get a lesson in walking bass from the pianist. The phrase should be, "It's all about playing what's appropriate for the music."

"Overplaying is bad." Yes, sometimes it is. And sometimes overplaying is awesome. Does anyone tell Victor Wooten not to overplay? Or Jaco? Or Stanley Clarke? Or any number of the most-respected bassists out there? You need to be conscious of what the song needs, but sometimes it needs some overplaying. So don't rule it out just because some guitarist tells you not to do it so he can be the big showoff. I went through an "overplaying is bad" period once. During this time, I got asked to play on a friend's album. After cutting 3 or 4 songs, she says, "What happened to you? I called you because I wanted to hear some badass playing, and you're playing like you're scared to do anything!" So on the next song I cut loose and stepped all over everyone. She loved it! So sometimes overplaying is just what the doctor ordered.

"Real bassists don't use picks." I dare anyone to ever say that to my face. Quite simply, it's the most ******** thing anyone could ever say to a bassist. And bassists who say that are the biggest retards of all. And if any of you have a problem with me calling you a dufus, then maybe you should consider shutting your yap because you sound absolutely moronic.

"Bass is all about ____________." If you don't fill in that blank with the phrase, "whatever I want it to be about," FU. Don't ever tell me that bass is about what you think it should be. Bass is not about YOUR conceptions and prejudices. If I want a whammy bar on my bass, who the hell are you to tell me different? If someone wants to string his bass an octave lower than usual, so what? If someone wants to play a 25 string bass with a 12 octave range, what's it to you? This lesson got taught to me the hard way when I made fun of someone's 9-string bass before I heard him play it. I prefer 4-strings in standard tuning, but that's just me. Play whatever you want. And leave me the hell alone.

Any of you who wish to add to the list, please do so. Any of you who want to argue any of these things, please feel free to try.

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i'm all in favour of people thinking before they trot out lazy truisms about bass playing... so if JimmyM's post gets people thinking and discussing some of these old chestnuts then i'm all for that...

however, reading through his list of annoying phrases, most of them strike me as rules of thumb that you should start with, and then test their boundaries once you've got the basics down...

"lock in with the drummer", "it's all about the groove" and "don't overplay" are not bad nuggets of advice to use as a starting point...

as are other gems like "the bass player's job is to outline the basic harmonic & rhythmic environment"... obviously that's not all you do but it's a great principle to start from

(i'm assuming in this context, 'grooving' is 'playing with the correct rhythmic inflections appropriate to the piece/idiom' etc... I doubt it ever means "play like Bootsy Collins during a thrash metal song"... so let's not treat each other like idiots)

to experienced players these truisms will seem trite & restrictive... and if you've been playing bass for a several years (I think JimmyM might have mentioned once that he's been playing a long time), they will seem oversimplistic... that's because it's advice for people at a different place on the ladder...
 
I think people just like the word, it's kind of like an 'in' crowd thing...

The more cryptic a word is, the more people like it, because using it will make you sound very deep...

Why say "play in time" when you can feel like you're hip and soulfull by saying "it's all about that groove! you need to learn the ways of the groove!"
 
i'm all in favour of people thinking before they trot out lazy truisms about bass playing... so if JimmyM's post gets people thinking and discussing some of these old chestnuts then i'm all for that...

however, reading through his list of annoying phrases, most of them strike me as rules of thumb that you should start with, and then test their boundaries once you've got the basics down...

"lock in with the drummer", "it's all about the groove" and "don't overplay" are not bad nuggets of advice to use as a starting point...

as are other gems like "the bass player's job is to outline the basic harmonic & rhythmic environment"... obviously that's not all you do but it's a great principle to start from

(i'm assuming in this context, 'grooving' is 'playing with the correct rhythmic inflections appropriate to the piece/idiom' etc... I doubt it ever means "play like Bootsy Collins during a thrash metal song"... so let's not treat each other like idiots)

to experienced players these truisms will seem trite & restrictive... and if you've been playing bass for a several years (I think JimmyM might have mentioned once that he's been playing a long time), they will seem oversimplistic... that's because it's advice for people at a different place on the ladder...

Exactly... and understanding that, why would these be offensive (except for the pick nonsense which IMO is more just plain stupid than offensive)?
 
One example of why using "groove" to describe something in a genral sense is this. You have a specific genre within Metal called Groove Metal, i.e. Pantera, which tends to have a funky feel to it. Listen to quite a few "groove metal" bands, and they all generally have the same funky feel to the rhythm as opposed to the blasting rhythm of, say, Cannibal Corpse. To say that Cannibal Corpse "grooves" as such, especially around other metalheads, would get you some very strange looks, looks you will not like.
 
One example of why using "groove" to describe something in a genral sense is this. You have a specific genre within Metal called Groove Metal, i.e. Pantera, which tends to have a funky feel to it. Listen to quite a few "groove metal" bands, and they all generally have the same funky feel to the rhythm as opposed to the blasting rhythm of, say, Cannibal Corpse. To say that Cannibal Corpse "grooves" as such, especially around other metalheads, would get you some very strange looks, looks you will not like.

So... does their bassist play like Jamerson or White?

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I think people just like the word, it's kind of like an 'in' crowd thing...

The more cryptic a word is, the more people like it, because using it will make you sound very deep...

Why say "play in time" when you can feel like you're hip and soulfull by saying "it's all about that groove! you need to learn the ways of the groove!"

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people use the word "groove" like it's going out of style:D

another one that bugs me is "soul"
ex: that guys good but he's got no soul
who can judge if a person is playing with soul or not except for the person playing. maybe if I bend all my notes for 5 minutes I'll have soul:ninja:
 
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