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Pickup/bridge covers

I've got a sunburst Player P that I added a tort guard and pickup covers to just for the look. It's my only bass with covers, but I've learned to play with/around the covers. Audience digs it when I use it in my side band (50s-70s cover band). I dig it too, since most of the songs were hits before I was born. It's like performing in a period film.
 
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My current #1 has TI jazz flats so string changes aren't an issue. It's a 75 reissue so it looks really nice with the ashtrays on it, but my playing technique precludes me having the front one installed unfortunately.

On some of my Fenders, the types of aftermarket bridges installed prevent the fitting of the rear ashtray and some of my instruments just don't look right with them.

Here are the 75 reissues with and without:
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And here's my '69 without:
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I searched around with no luck so...do you all remove the metal pickup and/or bridge covers on your P's and Jazz's? If so why? If no why?

Do they effect the intended sound? What's up with those things?

Thanks,
Nick

Pickup/Bridge covers have no practical use. They do not shield or enhance/affect sound whatsoever. The initial idea of them being on basses and guitars (strats and teles had them too) was purely for aesthetics. Leo thought they looked better than having pickups and bridges exposed. The thing is that Leo was not a musician himself, so he did not think about the fact that they would be uncomfortable and get in the way of musicians to freely play and change strings constantly. On the Jazz Bass, for example, the main function of the cool-looking-"F"-bridge-cover was to hide the hideous muting system (see picture) that they came with in the early sixties and that was later replaced with a piece of foam adhered to the cover. Musicians started to take them off and never put them back because of the aforementioned reasons. From that fact, comes the nickname "ashtray" cover, because rumor has it that they used them as actual ashtrays for cigarettes in clubs. Nevertheless, Fender still sold them this way until the early 80s. From that era on, they stopped putting covers on their instruments. Nowadays, Fender does not offer these on the current stock models, only on the reissue models.

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i have a medium scale MIJ jazz bass without bridge cover. the string adjustment screws are sticking up above the
flush and dig into my hand sometimes-i'm a pick player.
any great ideas out there besides black tape or installing a bridge cover?
Larry
 
The covers will only shield if there is an connection with the ground in the wiring of the bass.

Some of the 50s P Basses have an anodized guard and the pickup cover can make a ground connection.

The old slab body basses like 2saddleslab bass have a wire in the pickup cavity that makes contact with the cover.

And, the pre-CBS P Basses have an aluminium shield plate in the same shape as the guard and the cover screws can make contact with it and be grounded (not always).

The bridge cover is not grounded at all nor on the Jazz Bass.

Kind of hard to see but here is a photo of a 1952 P Bass and you can barely see the ground wire for the chrome cover.

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Thanks for the info, I do see the wire, interesting.
 
My 1965 Jazz had both covers in place when I bought it in 1966. I took the neck pickup off because that's pretty much the spot where I like to pluck the strings and it was in the way. In 1965 the "ashtray" cover with the giant F on it had a foam strip glued to the inside of the cover. When the cover was in place, that open-cell foam strip contacted the bass strings and acted as a mute. Evidently Fender was still trying to make the electric bass sound more like a stand-up bass and over the years they used different muting methods to try to achieve that.

What those string mutes really did was kill the sustain on the strings. I liked that big ashtray cover at the time but didn't like the mutes. So I cut and scrubbed that foam strip off. Don't know that I ever got it perfect, but it didn't really matter. I removed enough so that nothing muted the strings and, since it was on the underside of the ashtray, you couldn't see that part anyhow. I ended up playing with the center cover removed and the bridge "ashtray" cover in place right up until my bass was stolen in 1976 when the house we were staying in was burglarized (also stole my amp and mics).

Below is a shot of me playing my '65 back in about 1972. We typically played 5-nights a week and my bass is pretty smudged up here...sorry 'bout that:

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In 1985, when my current bass was traded in towards another purchase at the music store where I was working, The covers were inside the case and still in their plastic bags - they were never mounted. The fellow who took in the bass immediately removed them from the bass case and put them into our accessory case by the register to sell them separately. So they didn't come with the covers a month later when I was allowed to buy it. Actually that sounds bad, it was actually good. The owner wanted to try to sell it at retail for a month before he sold it to me. It didn't sell in that longest month I ever lived through and he gave me a very good price on it at the end of that month - very grateful to him for that.

I do not use the covers on my current jazz at all and never will. The pickup covers/protectors drastically inhibit where you can pluck the string and as a result, they drastically reduce the variation in sounds that you can get out of it. The crude basics or it are that if you pluck the strings up by the bottom of your neck you will get a warmer and darker sound. If you pluck them back by the bridge, you will get a very bright and percussive sound. If you want to make your Jazz growl, dig into the strings over the bridge pickup. So, knowing what I do know about how to get different sounds out of my Jazz Bass, I would never use the covers they came with. They are just too limiting to my choices of sounds.

And below is my current bass, which is a 1982 Jazz with the same neck profile that my '65 had. I'm going for the warmer/darker sound plucking the strings as you see here. Notice I have lots of choices on where to pluck the strings to get different timbres to the sound from them.

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Great stories and classic 70's pic! Sorry about your gear and #1 getting stolen! I hate that!

I have been playing Jazz types for years and love the variance of sounds you get from hand movement and technique. None of mine ever had the covers.

Thank you for sharing all your experience!
 
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Jamerson!
Seriously, to get that Motown/Stax/Soul sound you need the ashtray and the pickup cover! WHY??!???!!
Because it clearly establishes the 'preferred' picking areas for that particular sound (Between the pickup and the fingerboard for slower passages and between the pickup and the bridge for the faster, or 'treble-ier' sections) The ashtray, as many have mentioned, is for a foam mute.

Yes, the covers do limit the full potential of the instrument. In my opinion, they focus the sound for a particular style...

As always, IMNSHO, YMMV, IANARS...

Diego

Great point! Thank you for that.
 
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I've got a sunburst Player P that I added a tort guard and pickup covers to just for the look. It's my only bass with covers, but I've learned to play with/around the covers. Audience digs it when I use it in my side band (50s-70s cover band). I dig it too, since most of the songs were hits before I was born. It's like performing in a period film.

That is great! Thanks
 
My current #1 has TI jazz flats so string changes aren't an issue. It's a 75 reissue so it looks really nice with the ashtrays on it, but my playing technique precludes me having the front one installed unfortunately.

On some of my Fenders, the types of aftermarket bridges installed prevent the fitting of the rear ashtray and some of my instruments just don't look right with them.

Here are the 75 reissues with and without:
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And here's my '69 without:
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Where's that little yellow guy thing with it's tongue hanging out!?!

Nice reissues love the green!...and that 69...? Dang!

Thanks!
 
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Pickup/Bridge covers have no practical use. They do not shield or enhance/affect sound whatsoever. The initial idea of them being on basses and guitars (strats and teles had them too) was purely for aesthetics. Leo thought they looked better than having pickups and bridges exposed. The thing is that Leo was not a musician himself, so he did not think about the fact that they would be uncomfortable and get in the way of musicians to freely play and change strings constantly. On the Jazz Bass, for example, the main function of the cool-looking-"F"-bridge-cover was to hide the hideous muting system (see picture) that they came with in the early sixties and that was later replaced with a piece of foam adhered to the cover. Musicians started to take them off and never put them back because of the aforementioned reasons. From that fact, comes the nickname "ashtray" cover, because rumor has it that they used them as actual ashtrays for cigarettes in clubs. Nevertheless, Fender still sold them this way until the early 80s. From that era on, they stopped putting covers on their instruments. Nowadays, Fender does not offer these on the current stock models, only on the reissue models.

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Great info, thank you. Those mutes are hideous for sure!
 
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i have a medium scale MIJ jazz bass without bridge cover. the string adjustment screws are sticking up above the
flush and dig into my hand sometimes-i'm a pick player.
any great ideas out there besides black tape or installing a bridge cover?
Larry

You could put a thin shim under the neck which would allow you to raise the action a bit. The screws won't stick out as much.
 
I think the bridge cover is just for looks, but according to my genius engineer, the pickup covers are there to help balance the pull of the pickup magnets on the strings by reflecting some of the magnetic energy back down, making the string vibration more symmetrical. The difference is there if you were to look at the string with a strobe or scope, but probably not enough sound difference for Fender to justify the cost.

They are not for shielding as they are not grounded, and wouldn't make much difference anyway as the sides and back are open, plus you don't need shielding on a P.
 
I like to pluck right over the pup from time to time and the pup cover really gets in the way. The bridge cover just creates an extra step when changing and adjusting strings. For a while I had a p-bass with flat wounds that had a piece of foam rubber in the bridge cover as a mute and it worked really well. One of the many basses I've sold and wished I hadn't.
 
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i have a medium scale MIJ jazz bass without bridge cover. the string adjustment screws are sticking up above the
flush and dig into my hand sometimes-i'm a pick player.
any great ideas out there besides black tape or installing a bridge cover?
Larry
You can buy a set of shorter grub screws. Buy some that are shorter by roughly the same amount your current screws are protruding. If they are inset a mm or two, it's no crisis..
 
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