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Factory Rage

Jul 3, 2009
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St. Thomas, Ontario
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Great site!! This is my first post. I need advice concerning bass cabinets. I have an SWR 750X powering 2 Hartke 4.5XL 4X10 cabinets. My amp is rated 750watts @ 4ohms and my 2 cabinets combine for 800watts max at 4ohms.

I purchased the SWR 750X for next to nothing (very eager seller!!!) which is really the only reason I bought it as I was at one point pretty happy with my Hartke 500 watt head. Unfortunatly my Hartke cabs can't handle this monster 750X.

I want to upgrade to 2 4X10 or a 6X10 SWR system. I don't know if a 6X10 will be enough but will 2 4X10's be too much?
SWR gear (other than workingman series) is very difficult to find in my area so I can't do A-B comparison. Any and all advice is greatly appreciated in advance
 
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My problem is that I assumed that you get what you pay for. I have gone through 2 Hartke 410 stacks that I am embarassed to admit how much I paid for. I have since purchased a SWR 750X (used, for a song!!) and found my "800" watt twin 4X10 Hartke 4.5XL speaker stack can't handle the power. I have, from my experience found that if it is not made in USA or Canada, it just can't compete. I have become an SWR fan now but have come to find that SWR cabinets are built in Mexico. I will not pay a premium to have Mexicans(underpaid,overworked = sub-standard product) build my very expensive cab. Don Oatman from Detroit Michigan will build my cabs for a fair price, paid to a fine craftsman who takes pride in every facet of his business.

Bottom line, my Hartke gear can't handle the SWR power. I feel like a fool as I have been playing for 15 years and just recently figured out what is good and expensive vs. crap and expensive. I don't mind paying for good stuff. I hate paying for crap.
 
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Factory Rage said:
My problem is that I assumed that you get what you pay for. I have gone through 2 Hartke 410 stacks that I am embarassed to admit how much I paid for. I have since purchased a SWR 750X (used, for a song!!) and found my "800" watt twin 4X10 Hartke 4.5XL speaker stack can't handle the power. I have, from my experience found that if it is not made in USA or Canada, it just can't compete. I have become an SWR fan now but have come to find that SWR cabinets are built in Mexico. I will not pay a premium to have Mexicans(underpaid,overworked = sub-standard product) build my very expensive cab. Don Oatman from Detroit Michigan will build my cabs for a fair price, paid to a fine craftsman who takes pride in every facet of his business.

Bottom line, my Hartke gear can't handle the SWR power. I feel like a fool as I have been playing for 15 years and just recently figured out what is good and expensive vs. crap and expensive. I don't mind paying for good stuff. I hate paying for crap.
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So you're not going to answer any questions about the problem, you're just going to go on a tirade about American made vs. imported gear? That's good.
 
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Factory Rage said:
My problem is that I assumed that you get what you pay for. I have gone through 2 Hartke 410 stacks that I am embarassed to admit how much I paid for. I have since purchased a SWR 750X (used, for a song!!) and found my "800" watt twin 4X10 Hartke 4.5XL speaker stack can't handle the power. I have, from my experience found that if it is not made in USA or Canada, it just can't compete. I have become an SWR fan now but have come to find that SWR cabinets are built in Mexico. I will not pay a premium to have Mexicans(underpaid,overworked = sub-standard product) build my very expensive cab. Don Oatman from Detroit Michigan will build my cabs for a fair price, paid to a fine craftsman who takes pride in every facet of his business.

Bottom line, my Hartke gear can't handle the SWR power. I feel like a fool as I have been playing for 15 years and just recently figured out what is good and expensive vs. crap and expensive. I don't mind paying for good stuff. I hate paying for crap.
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TrooperFarva said:
So you're not going to answer any questions about the problem, you're just going to go on a tirade about American made vs. imported gear? That's good.
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dude,give the guys something to work with.....they need information to help you
 
#9
I've had little experience with Hartke (only a 210TP) and found it to fart out very easely for even a 210. I added it to a jbl 115 initially, and it did improve my sound, but now that I've tried every possible cab available to me, Hartke cabs are very low on my good cabs list. Amps are very good though.

I own a 610 SWR, used to own a 810 SWR, and played on 410's quite a bit. SWR Cabs are on my short list of great cabs. A 610 will surely be enough, but its all about attack & punch. With eq, you can find warm, low and smooth too, but with a flat preamp setting, It's a very sharp punchy cab, and I really like it.

The 410 is a lot warmer, low, rich. Again, this is with a somewhat flat preamp setting. You can EQ in almost any tonal quality in a good cab.

Both are very good choices, and both will fit just about any bill.

good luck
 
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I shouldn't say that Mexican craftsmanship is sub-standard therefore I apologize for that comment. I just really detest USA and Canadian companies subletting their product to be built in countries like Mexico or China when they can easily be built locally therfore employing their neighbours. I tend to get carried away,..............................

Sorry
 
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Factory Rage said:
My problem is that I assumed that you get what you pay for. I have gone through 2 Hartke 410 stacks that I am embarassed to admit how much I paid for. I have since purchased a SWR 750X (used, for a song!!) and found my "800" watt twin 4X10 Hartke 4.5XL speaker stack can't handle the power. I have, from my experience found that if it is not made in USA or Canada, it just can't compete. I have become an SWR fan now but have come to find that SWR cabinets are built in Mexico. I will not pay a premium to have Mexicans(underpaid,overworked = sub-standard product) build my very expensive cab. Don Oatman from Detroit Michigan will build my cabs for a fair price, paid to a fine craftsman who takes pride in every facet of his business.

Bottom line, my Hartke gear can't handle the SWR power. I feel like a fool as I have been playing for 15 years and just recently figured out what is good and expensive vs. crap and expensive. I don't mind paying for good stuff. I hate paying for crap.
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Hands down the absolute best bang for the buck in the cab market today are avatarspeakers.com......they perform far better than their price tag when compared with certain high end cabs with close to the same specs....and they are 100% made in the Good ol' U.S. of A.
 
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Factory Rage said:
I shouldn't say that Mexican craftsmanship is sub-standard therefore I apologize for that comment. I just really detest USA and Canadian companies subletting their product to be built in countries like Mexico or China when they can easily be built locally therfore employing their neighbours. I tend to get carried away,..............................
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well good luck getting equipment these days. a lot of parts used for amps simply aren't available anywhere else, and the companies that could be making them won't and couldn't sell them at a price that's worth it even if they did want to make them.

anyway, even though i'd be willing to bet that don occasionally uses goods that were made in china or mexico, no denying that he kicks ass as a cab builder. if i were having him build my cabs, i'd get a fEarful 15/6 and a fEarful 15 woofer cab. i love a good 810 rig but if you want an extremely loud and powerful rig that will sound the same pretty much everywhere in the room or stage, and you don't want it to weigh 200 lbs, that's the way to go.
 
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Factory Rage said:
I tend to get carried away
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Well, that's cool, but folks are asking you questioins above to address your original post. Maybe go back and see what people might need to know to help you out? One great thing about talkbass is that there's probably more than a few people here who have been through the same thing you're experiencing.

Now I think the first question for you above was about your eq settings, and then there was one or two more questions. Check 'em out.
 
#16
So if at one point you were really happy with your Hartke, and you only got the SWR because it was such a deal (i have a sister in-law like that) you might consider just selling the damn thing.

On the other hand, since you seem to think a 610 might not cut it, but you don't want to lug 2 4x10s around, you should consider two 2x12 cabs. I don't know why more folks don't. A pair of the Avatars would work pretty much as well as any of them.
 
#17
Factory Rage said:
My EQ is set flat on my guitar and my head.
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Is your bass active? Is it a 5-string? Are you tuned to standard pitch?

What is the setting on the enhance control on the head? When you say flat, do you mean all the EQ are set at 12 noon?

What is the preamp gain setting and what is the master setting when you get distortion (I am assuming speaker distortion is the problem)?

Would you describe exactly what is happening???? :eyebrow:
 
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Jim Carr said:
Is your bass active? Is it a 5-string? Are you tuned to standard pitch?

What is the setting on the enhance control on the head? When you say flat, do you mean all the EQ are set at 12 noon?

What is the preamp gain setting and what is the master setting when you get distortion (I am assuming speaker distortion is the problem)?

Would you describe exactly what is happening???? :eyebrow:
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Also, what style of music are you playing? I cannot imagine how 2 4x10s rated at 400w each couldn't handle 750w. Are you hammering the bass? Are you sure it's not your ears or some bad connection in your chain, like a cable or a bad power lead?

Also, try wiggling your pots in your bass and make sure they are working properly.

MORE detail will help us help you.
 

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