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Porcupine Tree returns

I would hazard a guess that if they aren't going to be touring anytime soon, Wilson will probably play bass on the record. Edwin had been underutilized in the group for a while, but it's always strange when a band "reunites" and it's not the full lineup.

EDIT: Looks like it's Wilson playing bass on the record.
 
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Everyone assumed, initially, that it would be Nick Beggs on record and for the tour but a lot an happen before Fall '22. That's apparently when they're hitting Europe and the UK with the States to follow. My preorder for the disc/Blu-Ray package is in.
 
I haven't heard anything yet but my gut is starting to tell me it 's going to be Wilson. Or not.

In concert?!?! I can't believe Steve Wilson would give up the comfort zone of playing guitar or keyboard live. Then again, I haven't heard any of the new material, so I have no idea how critical the guitar or keyboard -- or, for that matter, the bass -- parts are.
 
In concert?!?! I can't believe Steve Wilson would give up the comfort zone of playing guitar or keyboard live. Then again, I haven't heard any of the new material, so I have no idea how critical the guitar or keyboard -- or, for that matter, the bass -- parts are.
I've only heard what's available to everyone and his bass playing, particularly on Harridan, is the most up front that I've heard on a PT song. That's not to say the guitar or keys take a back seat. I would've said it would be Nick Beggs but he'll be on the road with Howard Jones.
 
Yes, that's great news, although a surprising one. Creative guy. He occasionally plays with ONE glove (seems a fad these days, as Scotts bass Lessons Scott does that too, and Etienne Mbappé). I hope Natan Navarro finally gets the worldwide recognition he deserves. He's been under the radar for too long now. Had my antennas out on him some 10 years ago. No one of my bass playing friends had ever heard of him, and I thought "hey..man...get on line...". They still went "hey Jack Bruce, Jaco is the deal...", and I just went sighing...

That's a bit typical for Steven Wilson to hire top flight "fusion" musicians to be very virtuosic and "show offy" for his studio/solo albums but utilize 1 percent of what they really can. You had Guthrie Govan before, Marco Minneman and the like. They have to show "remarkable restraint" to pull that one off. ;) Although Porcupines music isn't that easy. It isn't that fast or too tricky to pull off either. Maybe the most hard thing is to remember the different parts. Contains many dramatic, and ambient moments too.

But that "problem" I had with Peter Gabriel too. He even hired Billy Cobham once for one tour. 1994 I think. I wondered how he selected those musicians. He listened to Mahavishnu and thought "hey, superfast, busy and show off and intimidating virtuosic...yeah fits right in with my slower and simpler music". Beats me. :)
 
But that "problem" I had with Peter Gabriel too. He even hired Billy Cobham once for one tour. 1994 I think. I wondered how he selected those musicians. He listened to Mahavishnu and thought "hey, superfast, busy and show off and intimidating virtuosic...yeah fits right in with my slower and simpler music". Beats me. :)

I didn't realize Cobham had toured with Gabriel, but I knew he played on Gabriel's Passion album and soundtrack. I completely get why Gabriel would be attracted to Cobham though: Irrespective of his speed and chops and oft-bombastic approach to the drumkit, Cobham has a pocket that is infectious and genuinely propels a groove; his snare backbeats are ultra crisp, and when he hits a crash & kick simultaneously there's a "snap" that is wholly unique in the way it drives a band. PG probably wanted to get some of that sauce on his techno-worldbeat grooves.

Frankly, it's a quality I thought Marco Minneman lacked when he played in Steve Wilson's band; tons of chops and innovative playing, but no "snap", no propulsion.
 
I didn't realize Cobham had toured with Gabriel, but I knew he played on Gabriel's Passion album and soundtrack. I completely get why Gabriel would be attracted to Cobham though: Irrespective of his speed and chops and oft-bombastic approach to the drumkit, Cobham has a pocket that is infectious and genuinely propels a groove; his snare backbeats are ultra crisp, and when he hits a crash & kick simultaneously there's a "snap" that is wholly unique in the way it drives a band. PG probably wanted to get some of that sauce on his techno-worldbeat grooves.

Frankly, it's a quality I thought Marco Minneman lacked when he played in Steve Wilson's band; tons of chops and innovative playing, but no "snap", no propulsion.
Probably one of the reasons that relationship ended so acrimoniously.
 
Irrespective of his speed and chops and oft-bombastic approach to the drumkit, Cobham has a pocket that is infectious and genuinely propels a groove; his snare backbeats are ultra crisp, and when he hits a crash & kick simultaneously there's a "snap" that is wholly unique in the way it drives a band.

Yes, probably so, but doesn't even remotely sounds anything like what he does with PG. And what PG does without Cobham.

Yes, but I don't think that was his main traits in Mahavishnu. It's the thing what Peter heard in "can he restrain himself from that?". Cobham is not the only one PG used. You have had Shankar, the Yngwie Malmsteen of violin (Paganini notwithstanding) with intimidating virtuosity, Robert Fripp who can just as well play 10.000 notes per second, as well as stay on 10.000 seconds per note (Frippertronics, Soundscapes). ;)

Bayete (Todd Cochran), David Sancious on keyboards, and numerous other guys that just prior playing with PG had these track records of ONLY displaying virtuosity. While it could have been better with using regular and seasoned studio musicians who has a reputation and track records to just play what is needed, fast, slow or not. Stewart Copeland came in JUST to play hi-hat on So. And so on. PG eschewing metal cymbals on 3rd album altogether. It's about busy players. While Tony Levin isn't any slouch as a fast or busy player it's not his main trait, as oposed to, say, Jeff Berlin who is a very busy player and is his main trait.

Mind you, that I like Cobham a lot, for the same reasons you do.

I find often, that Steven Wilson uses these musicians too, over the top flight musicians, that are artists in their own right, rather than seasoned session musicians. At least in solo career. I do not know if Nate Navarro has actually experienced a larger touring band in his past career. Pinne Pannelle or whatever they were called was a "small time". Nate DOES have a forward thinking and innovative style, and are not afraid to move the art of bass playing forward. I hope he doesn't get mixed up with drummer Nate Novarro from the band Cobra Starship. Confusion ahead...:unsure:

I think all this, PG and Steve Wilson choices of collaborators, is an old idea that Brian Eno had. The band 801 formed by Phil Manzanera, was originally an intentional idea, to mix "musos" with almost amateur or lesser skilled musicians. You had a very young and "unneccessary talented" Simon Phillips on drums (19 at the time) and Francis Monkman on keyboards. Then Phil Manzanera, and Eno on their respective instruments have always been somewhat textural and mediocre as far as instrumentalists go. Bill McCormick on bass a regular run of the mill bass player. Does the job though. The end result can sometimes turn out intriguing. No competition or rivalry since Eno, Phil couldn't keep up with Phillips formidable drumming. The thing of mixing so there was not too many getting/playing in the way of each other, fighting for place and space in the music. No showing each other up.

To me, sometimes this can be good. But generally speaking, I like when everyone can interact with each other and the interplay between all of the musicians works best.
 
What I find peculiar with this touring line up, is that I thought that if one should augment with tourng lineup anyway you need more people. I've checked out now Randy McStine who was definitely under my radar before. As with PT's old touring member John Wesley who sang background vocals, PTs harmony vocals on records was more layered. I was always a bit irked when they pulled off "Blackest Eyes" live and SW had to stop finalizing the sentence to get in line with the chorus refrain and sing "swim with me into the blackest eyes..:" thing, in harmony with John Wesley. I do not know if Nate Navarro sings backup vocals, but I think PT needs that because on studio, they filled up quite a lot with 3 part harmony vocals (their most famous song "Trains" has that middle section with medieval harmony lines). All these things has always came out a little bit short whenever playing live. McStine can very well do the singing too, but they need one more with backup vocals. I do not know if Natan Navarro possesses this talent too. SW did all the harmonies in studio anyways. They would need a backup vocal bass player too methinks. So those 2 can do the harmony vocals and SW do the voice leading things.

Talking about "acrimonious", there must've been something between SW and Colin Edwin too, since he wasn't invited this time around. I bet that that one causes a lot of drama, speculations on the internet. But what do we know? Just move on.

Anyone else heard Nate Navarro do vocals? Not lead but backup vocals?

FWIW, McStine can play bass too it seems...

 
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