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Portability vs a big box

NOLA Bass

NOLA Bass

Mr. Worst Case Scenario Man
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Feb 3, 2005
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New Orleans LA
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Endorsing artist: Bergantino Audio Systems and GHS Strings
#1
I have gone the portability route due to a neck injury 2 years ago. Currently, I have a Schroeder 1212L and 1210L. Let me start off by saying that they are amazing cabs, they really cut through a live setting (i play in a metal/classic hard rock tribute band with 2 guitarist with Marshall half stacks). I love the portability of one of those cabs with a GB NeoPak, can't be beat!!! I bought two cabs thinking I'd use it for bigger gigs. One cab is surprisingly loud, two are defeaning (as Jorg warned me).

I guess the part I don't like is that the 1210 and 1212 are amazing little boxes in the way such a small/light cab can cut through and hang with screaming Marshalls. However, 2 are just a louder version of 1. What I miss is the low end that fills out the stage without being louder (the bass you feel vs hear I guess you could call it). I think my problem is that I should keep one and replace the other with a bigger box (albeit still portable). I've been reading alot of posts and the 21012L and 410L are of course options in a bigger box Schroeder that is still light (and available with the telescoping handle), Berg AE410, Epifani 410UL (from what I've read the 310UL would not really help), and GB 212XT. All are 55-65# range, so I could manage them for bigger gigs (+get help from the band going in and out of car, up on stage, etc.).

Anyone else have this experience? The other option I could think of was the other route of adding a 15 underneath to sort of mimic a bigger low end. Curious who has gone this route. Thanks for the feedback.
 
#2
Nola, Schroerer has a 610 cab available soon that's 32" tall, 23.5" wide, 16" deep, weighs in at 78 lbs. I've a feeling this will be a HUGE sounding cab. From what I've heard told it's a more traditional sounding cab than Jorg's other cabs.
 
#3
shoot-r said:
Nola, Schroerer has a 610 cab available soon that's 32" tall, 23.5" wide, 16" deep, weighs in at 78 lbs. I've a feeling this will be a HUGE sounding cab. From what I've heard told it's a more traditional sounding cab than Jorg's other cabs.
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Interesting. 78# is really pushing it though in my particular case. I want to stay in the low 60# range at the most.
 
#6
If you like low end extension take a look at the Acme B2. I reduced the size of my set up because at 62 I aint getting any younger. A pair of B2s at about 50lb each have covered every gig I have played in the last ten years. I find them easy to manage, A dolly or cart makes them a breeze to move. I split my rack into two four space SKB cases. One for my Carvin power amp and the other for my Korg tuner, pre-amp and Carvin power filter. One in each hand I find that the two cases balance each other well. If there are stairs I prefer several trips with fairly light loads rather than humping one huge load.

I hope your neck injury is nothing permanent and heals well. Mu son is a C4 Quad so I am well acquainted with neck injuries. Be well my friend.

Paul
 
#8
NOLA Bass said:
I have gone the portability route due to a neck injury 2 years ago. Currently, I have a Schroeder 1212L and 1210L. Let me start off by saying that they are amazing cabs, they really cut through a live setting (i play in a metal/classic hard rock tribute band with 2 guitarist with Marshall half stacks). I love the portability of one of those cabs with a GB NeoPak, can't be beat!!! I bought two cabs thinking I'd use it for bigger gigs. One cab is surprisingly loud, two are defeaning (as Jorg warned me).

I guess the part I don't like is that the 1210 and 1212 are amazing little boxes in the way such a small/light cab can cut through and hang with screaming Marshalls. However, 2 are just a louder version of 1. What I miss is the low end that fills out the stage without being louder (the bass you feel vs hear I guess you could call it). I think my problem is that I should keep one and replace the other with a bigger box (albeit still portable). I've been reading alot of posts and the 21012L and 410L are of course options in a bigger box Schroeder that is still light (and available with te telescoping handle), Berg AE410, Epifani 410UL (from what I've read the 310UL would not really help), and GB 212XT. All are 55-65# range, so I could manage them for bigger gigs (+get help from the band going in and out of car, up on stage, etc.).

Anyone else have this experience? The other option I could think of was the other route of adding a 15 underneath to sort of mimic a bigger low end. Curious who has gone this route. Thanks for the feedback.
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You're talking about moving air and that's what makes 10" speakers great because you move more mass & don't sacrifice tone... The Phil Jones stuff is 5" speaker and man... TALK ABOUT EFFICIENT & LIGHT!!!! CLEAN-CLEAR FULLNESS is what you're talking to me about.....
Good Luck!
 
#9
Keep the modularity and lose one of those Schroeders. They seem to be more mid focused which helps them cut, but lacking in the low-lows. Replace on of those cabs with a low intensive (prehaps mid-shy) cab and away you go. At least that's what I'd do in your situation. I've adopted a "If I can't carry it with one hand comfortably, I don't need it" philosophy in the last several years.
 
#10
BassmanPaul said:
If you like low end extension take a look at the Acme B2. I reduced the size of my set up because at 62 I aint getting any younger. A pair of B2s at about 50lb each have covered every gig I have played in the last ten years. I find them easy to manage, A dolly or cart makes them a breeze to move. I split my rack into two four space SKB cases. One for my Carvin power amp and the other for my Korg tuner, pre-amp and Carvin power filter. One in each hand I find that the two cases balance each other well. If there are stairs I prefer several trips with fairly light loads rather than humping one huge load.

I hope your neck injury is nothing permanent and heals well. Mu son is a C4 Quad so I am well acquainted with neck injuries. Be well my friend.

Paul
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Thanks, I've heard good things with the B2's. As far as the neck, I compressed two discs in my neck and got them replaced (this was while we were evacuated from katrina and had a newborn). Doing really well as long as I am careful, which means no heavy lifting for me anymore.
 
#11
Kael said:
Keep the modularity and lose one of those Schroeders. They seem to be more mid focused which helps them cut, but lacking in the low-lows. Replace on of those cabs with a low intensive (prehaps mid-shy) cab and away you go. At least that's what I'd do in your situation. I've adopted a "If I can't carry it with one hand comfortably, I don't need it" philosophy in the last several years.
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Yeah, I really like this idea from a standpoint of not needing to lug anything much over 40-50#. Maybe a B2 paired with the schroeder is a good option.
 
#12
LowBSix said:
You're talking about moving air and that's what makes 10" speakers great because you move more mass & don't sacrifice tone... The Phil Jones stuff is 5" speaker and man... TALK ABOUT EFFICIENT & LIGHT!!!! CLEAN-CLEAR FULLNESS is what you're talking to me about.....
Good Luck!
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this is what makes me pause in adding something like a 15". I used to love my Eden 410 but just too heavy post surgery.
 
#13
Kael said:
Keep the modularity and lose one of those Schroeders. They seem to be more mid focused which helps them cut, but lacking in the low-lows.
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My thoughts exactly. While I haven't played the Schroeders, from everything I've ever heard about them, they cut like nothing else. Of course, since it's very difficult to design a cab for superior cut and superior low end, most cabs present a serious trade-off. Something's gotta give...

On a somewhat off-topic note, I can relate to your situation, NOLA. Early last year, I (massively) herniated a spinal disc between L2 & L3 - completely paralyzing my right leg. Add to that some chronic spinal stenosis near my tailbone that I had aggravated during that time, and my left leg then became partially paralyzed - thus sending me to the hospital for a session of reconstructive spinal surgery...and four months of in-patient physical therapy, until I could walk well enough to finally come back home! Nearly 14 months later, I'm still on the mend and now walking with a cane. My heavy-lifting days are also over. But at least I'm not a permanent paraplegic, as my neurosurgeons had feared... :eek:

Paul, my heart goes out to you, your family and your son. There but for the grace of God go I...

MM
 
#14
MysticMichael said:
My thoughts exactly. While I haven't played the Schroeders, from everything I've ever heard about them, they cut like nothing else. Of course, since it's very difficult to design a cab for superior cut and superior low end, most cabs present a serious trade-off. Something's gotta give...

On a somewhat off-topic note, I can relate to your situation, NOLA. Early last year, I (massively) herniated a spinal disc between L2 & L3 - completely paralyzing my right leg. Add to that some chronic spinal stenosis near my tailbone that I had aggravated during that time, and my left leg then became partially paralyzed - thus sending me to the hospital for a session of reconstructive spinal surgery...and four months of in-patient physical therapy, until I could walk well enough to finally come back home! Nearly 14 months later, I'm still on the mend and now walking with a cane. My heavy-lifting days are also over. But at least I'm not a permanent paraplegic, as my neurosurgeons had feared... :eek:

Paul, my heart goes out to you, your family and your son. There but for the grace of God go I...

MM
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Glad to hear you are on the road to recovery, I definitely had an easier go of it than you have had. I had no physical therapy or anything. I just read Paul's post again, I didn't catch that his son was so severely injured, so definitely prayers for he and his family. Not a problem to go off topic a bit as hopefully alot of other tb'ers will be more careful than I was (my rack case up and down stairs did my neck in).
 
#18
I use a 1212(R) and combine it with a Bergantino HT115. I find it gives me the room filling lows while keeping the cut and hearability of the 1212. It may be pushing the weight range you're looking for, but there have to be some other small box, light 15's out there. While Jim doesn't make this speaker anymore, I found mine for 500 used. Its easier to carry than my 1212 and weighs less.
 
#19
BurningSkies said:
I use a 1212(R) and combine it with a Bergantino HT115. I find it gives me the room filling lows while keeping the cut and hearability of the 1212. It may be pushing the weight range you're looking for, but there have to be some other small box, light 15's out there. While Jim doesn't make this speaker anymore, I found mine for 500 used. Its easier to carry than my 1212 and weighs less.
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Thanks for the info on your setup. I'm curious, what are you powering it with. My fear (well not really a fear) is that with two "unmatched cabs", I'd want a power amp setup to be able to adjust the power to each cab to get the right sound.
 

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