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Double Bass Pre-preamp mixer

I'm thinking about trying to mix two different ultra-high impedance sources (10 megaohms) together before running them into my Fishman Platinum preamp.

Any suggestions for a small (hopefully passive or phantom powered) mixer that could do this without messing up the impedance matching?
 
You need an impedance matching for each of your sources, after that you can mix the signals. I once tried to wire two piezos in parallel but this didn't work, sound was really bad. I never tried connecting them in series, maybe this works.
Passive is not possible (maybe when using capacitors instead of resistors to decouple the two sources), so you need something active.
I used the FDeck very simple impedance matching circuit (BBBB?) he showed on his homepage twice and the mixed the outputs for my two piezo EUB pickup. Not entirely satisfied with my special solution but it should work for simple mixing.
 
I took a look at his schematics--so you built the device as laid-out and it worked?

It looks like what I need with a couple of modifications: no tone control and powered by phantom power not 9 volt.

I wonder if I can get out of a box what I need:

--A mixer that mixes 2 Channels into one.

--Preserves the impedance matching of both channels (10megohms)

--Runs on phantom power

--No other features

--Small/lightweight casing

I'm guessing no one makes this. The ultra-high impedance is probably what's going to make this impossible to find...
 
The simple one with exactly the same J-FET works fine. I put it in a small aluminium box with a rechargeble battery (ready-to-use or similar low discharge type). WOrks like a charm. The critical part is the J-FET. Even the resistors around the J-FET are dependent on the type. I did simulations with Spice to find out the J-FET ist indeed critical.

For the EUB with the two sensors I used the J-FET J310, that comes close to the 2N-types. I once tried a BC245C but this type will loose quite some volume.
For the EUB I have only very, very little room for the electronics, used a printed solder dot board (about two by five centimeters only), two of the simple J-FET buffers, one for each piezo, then mixed them by a simple potentiometer (not a good solution but acceptable) then put a passive tone control in and then one more J-FET buffer to get a higher output current. I also used a rechargeble battery and a connector to load it from outside (by a good -DeltaV charger).

My problem is, that the piezos I use have a weak signal and I have found no useful way to enhance the signal by 6 to 12 dB yet. Maybe I need to make other piezo sensors with a higher signal.

Personally I'm not too happy with pickups that need 10 MOhms.
Put a cable into the impedance buffer input, connect the buffer output to your amp and connect nothing to the other end of the buffer input cable.
Switch the amp on an knock at the cable, try different cables, also some thinner ones. You might hear the knocking at the cable out of your amp. THis is due to microphonics of the cable. The reason is a rather soft dielectric between inner cable and shielding.

The lower the input impedance of the buffer/amp, the less microphonic influence would be transmitted by the cable. So there is a drawback of high impedance inputs.
Therefor some of the buffer designs and preamps have a switchable input impedance (i.e. 1MOhms, 4,7 MOhms, 10 MOhms).

If you study more of FDecks buffer schematics you will find one for phantom power.
 
You need an impedance matching for each of your sources, after that you can mix the signals. I once tried to wire two piezos in parallel but this didn't work, sound was really bad. I never tried connecting them in series, maybe this works.
Passive is not possible (maybe when using capacitors instead of resistors to decouple the two sources), so you need something active.
I used the FDeck very simple impedance matching circuit (BBBB?) he showed on his homepage twice and the mixed the outputs for my two piezo EUB pickup. Not entirely satisfied with my special solution but it should work for simple mixing.
Would 2 FDecks for input and a Y connector mixing the FDeck outputs together suffice? At least the inputs would be buffered.

-S-
 
@drurb: I know. I'm not a native speaker, so sometimes I'm a bit floppy with the correct terms.

@SteveFreides: If there is a output resistor of a few KOhms before the mixing you can just connect the two outputs and use this point to feed your amp with the mixed signal. But this way you cannot control the relative volume. If this is OK, fine.
If not you need some potentiometers (preferably a 20K to 100k stereo Pot for blending: 1left: buffer 1 output, 2right buffer 2 output, 1right and 2left: ground, 1middle and 2 middle: output signal).
 
At my website, I have a page on "quick and dirty piezo preamp." It contains ideas for a blender, and for a phantom powered piezo buffer. I'm thinking it might be possible to combine those circuits into something like what the OP is looking for. Sadly, I am already overdue on a project that I have promised to finish.
 
DoubleMIDI said:
@SteveFreides: If there is a output resistor of a few KOhms before the mixing you can just connect the two outputs and use this point to feed your amp with the mixed signal. But this way you cannot control the relative volume. If this is OK, fine.
If not you need some potentiometers (preferably a 20K to 100k stereo Pot for blending: 1left: buffer 1 output, 2right buffer 2 output, 1right and 2left: ground, 1middle and 2 middle: output signal).

The fdeck I have comes with a volume control. I think that would suffice, no?

-S-