is there anything out there like this? I love my BDDI, but reverb doesn't sound great running into it. My 3-Pro doesn't sound anywhere near as good without it, but it over powers my reverb pedals with input volume.
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Preamp Pedals with effects loop?
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bongomania
Commercial User
For whatever reason it just way overpowers it? To be fair it's an RV-500 and I'm still getting used to it. I'd also like to have both effects run through the DI if I need them to.
bongomania
Commercial User
When you say "overpowers it" do you mean the reverb unit distorts? If so, you can just turn down the output level of the BDDI until the reverb doesn't distort.
As far as getting reverb or other effect in the DI output of the BDDI, you just have to run those effects in front of the DI. That's also the only way to get the same effect in both the DI output and in your amp.
If it doesn't sound good, you can get a rackmount reverb unit that has balanced (XLR/TRS) in and output jacks. Not all rack units have those. That way you can take the balanced output of the BDDI and run it through the reverb etc. But then you wouldn't get the reverb in your amp at the same time.
As far as getting reverb or other effect in the DI output of the BDDI, you just have to run those effects in front of the DI. That's also the only way to get the same effect in both the DI output and in your amp.
If it doesn't sound good, you can get a rackmount reverb unit that has balanced (XLR/TRS) in and output jacks. Not all rack units have those. That way you can take the balanced output of the BDDI and run it through the reverb etc. But then you wouldn't get the reverb in your amp at the same time.
It's less clipping/distortion and more like a distinct loss of clarity even at reasonably modest reverb settings? I run everything pretty heavily distorted and play in loud bands, and generally would use my effects loop for this with guitar without any issues with volume drop/clarity.
Maybe I'm missing something in terms of low end damping or gain staging, but even boosting the output level of the reverb to compensate for perceived volume loss doesn't drive the front end of my amp as well as the BDDI solo. I haven't tried it in the amp's loop yet.
The DI issue is less of a thing because I can always run a mic or speaker level countryman or something.
Maybe I'm missing something in terms of low end damping or gain staging, but even boosting the output level of the reverb to compensate for perceived volume loss doesn't drive the front end of my amp as well as the BDDI solo. I haven't tried it in the amp's loop yet.
The DI issue is less of a thing because I can always run a mic or speaker level countryman or something.
bongomania
Commercial User
The Radial Bassbone OD has an effects loop in it but ime I have had better results not using it (i.e. Effects after the pre)
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You could try EQ-ing the low end of the reverb signal inside the RV-500 to have less bass, or carve out the distortion frequencies so the reverb sits around your complex sound better.
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Our Bass Driver Deluxe has an effects loop but I don't think an effects loop will solve you're problem. It sounds like more of an issue of the mix ratio on the effect changing when placing the unit before the Bass Driver vs after. Unlike a rack mount unit that has an input level control a pedal effect has none. It receives whatever input is fed to it and the amount of effect you desire is subsequently controlled by the Mix control. This works fine for a single effect, but in a unit like the RV500 that has presets this can be overwhelming if you've stored multiple presets using one input source (your bass) and then change to a different input source (the output of the Bass Driver). I have a Strymon Timeline and have the same issue. Presets that work with one guitar and amp will not be the same when I switch to a different setup. I always have to readjust the wet level. No easy answer.
Our Bass Driver Deluxe has an effects loop but I don't think an effects loop will solve you're problem. It sounds like more of an issue of the mix ratio on the effect changing when placing the unit before the Bass Driver vs after. Unlike a rack mount unit that has an input level control a pedal effect has none. It receives whatever input is fed to it and the amount of effect you desire is subsequently controlled by the Mix control. This works fine for a single effect, but in a unit like the RV500 that has presets this can be overwhelming if you've stored multiple presets using one input source (your bass) and then change to a different input source (the output of the Bass Driver). I have a Strymon Timeline and have the same issue. Presets that work with one guitar and amp will not be the same when I switch to a different setup. I always have to readjust the wet level. No easy answer.
Honestly I figured it was something like this. I ended up running it in my amps effects loop, and I'll be running a stereo rig once I get my V4 fixed and the reverb signal will only go to that amp. It's definitely one of the downsides of an onboard preamp, but hey it sounds great.
