• TalkBass has been independent since 1998. Add your voice.
    Create a free account to reply to discussions, view embedded media, and browse with fewer display ads.
    Join freeLog in
    Want zero display ads or expanded classifieds tools? Compare plans.

Prefer a Passive Bass?

For when I need to use a longer cable (e.g., walking out front-of-house to help with soundcheck), I've ordered up a belt-pack "Redeemer" buffer circuit. It doesn't aim to sculpt or boost the sound in any way, it just takes the signal from a passive instrument and makes it capable of traveling a good length of wire without degradation.
It's small and light and simple, with no cluster of controls to get accidentally nudged while playing.

I really like the redeemer circuit. In my tests, it was the closest thing to "what you put in is what you get out" that I have ever seen.

That said, I never understood how people use a cable to soundcheck. Do you only do it at the start of the night when the place is empty? I know I would get the cable all wrapped up trying to walk through the bar around tables, chairs, and people. Maybe I am uncoordinated :p

But I sound check at least twice per set (maybe not the last set) and some nights I do a lot of walking. (See my "smallest stage" thread :rolleyes: )

If you like the redeemer, you would probably like the line6 line of wireless. So clean, they actually have an emulator to add back in the cable losses. However, they are a bit more money than a long cable and a redeemer ;)
 
Personally, I have always felt that there is a certian tonal quality with passive basses that lacks in active units. I have played every bass in the store I work in, and even the $300 Peavey has more of an "organic" tone (the only way I can really describe a nice passive tone) than some of the $2500 Peavey Cirrus'. A small handful of passives cut it for me, but they are far, few and between.
 
Ive only owned and played one passive thats been converted back to passive from active. No other bass Ive owned had enough output, extended freq response, top end grind, and articulate low bass to satisfy in passive mode. Even Dimarzaio and Seymour duncan pup equipted basses Ive owned sounded better with preamp added, esp in the mix. Being worried about having to do simple battery change every 6 months or so as battery starts to get a little weak is a non issue to me. Certainly isnt a hassle.
 
At various points in time I owned either one or the other or both. Now I only own passive and always liked passive better. But I'm not opposed to owning another active bass I just seem to get along better with a passive.
 
I never understood how people use a cable to soundcheck. Do you only do it at the start of the night when the place is empty? I know I would get the cable all wrapped up trying to walk through the bar around tables, chairs, and people. Maybe I am uncoordinated :p

I rarely play bars, I'm usually in a reception room of some kind -- hotels & conference centers or synagogue halls, etc. But if there are obstacles to going out front with a cable, I leave the sound to the keyboard player.

If you like the redeemer, you would probably like the line6 line of wireless...

I probably would, but once we've done a 15 minute pre-show soundcheck, for the rest of the night I don't move far enough to need wireless. During the show/party the KB player checks intermittently, when he has a sequence playing.
 
I rarely play bars, I'm usually in a reception room of some kind -- hotels & conference centers or synagogue halls, etc. But if there are obstacles to going out front with a cable, I leave the sound to the keyboard player.

I probably would, but once we've done a 15 minute pre-show soundcheck, for the rest of the night I don't move far enough to need wireless. During the show/party the KB player checks intermittently, when he has a sequence playing.

Ok, that makes sense. I think you will enjoy the redeemer then.
 
The most important thing to me when trying a bass is the feel. Active vs. passive isn't as important.

I do prefer passive, though. I like all my EQ being at the amp. I don't even use tone controls on passive basses, why would I want an onboard EQ? Simpler not to have one. Plus, my passives are pretty loud anyway, enough to get the grind I want.

I have played a couple active basses I liked, but not more than passive, and I didn't really see myself ever using the preamp controls.
 
I like both. I'm bi-tonal. Is that the right made-up word?

I like the modern sounding bass (My Spectors) and old school sounding (Yamaha, Fender Jazz).

The last few years, I've preferred more of the active basses. Harmonics, tighter lows and having tone controls on the deck, it's an easy boost for bass without messing with the EQ on my amp. I think it's great to have both. More tonal options than only having one.
 
Sartori said:
Why would I want an onboard EQ? Simpler not to have one.


Being able to switch sounds
Mid-song and mid-note add no
End of
Options. Writing your own tunes and you want the kick to boom so you can walk back to your amp have your back to audience and take a hand away from
The bass or......... keep playing not need a gap of sound and roll it up with your pinkie.

How many times I want to change my sound mid song is down to the set and band I'm in. In particular if I'm doing non originals at functions etc then
Mimicking the original tones makes you stand out more. Or a
solo comes
Up and you need to drop some boom perhaps bring yourself out of the mix with The mid and treble, switching from
One style to another , funk to reggae ('commercial examples' , long train running with it's middly sound into a police or Marley reggae dub heavy sound)

Me personally , I set my bass eq to flat at the start of the night. Get the perfect Nass sound for
That room for Me through the amp, leave the amp as it is and spend the rest of the night riding the bass and have an arsenal of tones and sounds at my finger-tips all night.
 
Being able to switch sounds
Mid-song and mid-note add no
End of
Options.

I don't think you read the words right before what I said. Here they are again:

"I don't even use tone controls on passive basses"

Think about that. I have two volume controls and two tone controls on my main, and a volume control and a tone control on my backup. Of the controls already available to me, I only use the volume knobs.

That's right, the tone knobs might as well not even be there. As for the volume knobs, I pretty much never actually change where they're set. They may as well be locked into the position that they're in. I don't use what controls I do have. So why would you conclude that I would use additional controls?

The only control I really use with any regularity is the pickup selector switch, for when I want to go between my loud, aggressive sound (bridge pickup), and my quiet, smoother sound (neck pickup). I do this in the middle of many songs, depending on the passage.

I don't need "no end of options." Why would I need a bunch of options that I'm not going to use?


Writing your own tunes and you want the kick to boom so you can walk back to your amp have your back to audience and take a hand away from
The bass or......... keep playing not need a gap of sound and roll it up with your pinkie.
I do write my own songs. But I'm not sure what you mean about wanting the kick to boom. I definitely don't want it to. Pretty much ever. I want a nice, tight thud sound from the kick. I'm not sure what you're talking about with the gap in sound, either.

How many times I want to change my sound mid song is down to the set and band I'm in. In particular if I'm doing non originals at functions etc then
Mimicking the original tones makes you stand out more. Or a
solo comes
Up and you need to drop some boom perhaps bring yourself out of the mix with The mid and treble, switching from
One style to another , funk to reggae ('commercial examples' , long train running with it's middly sound into a police or Marley reggae dub heavy sound)
Look, if I'm playing covers, it's with my folk rock band, and we generally aren't going for sounding identical to the original. If we aimed for that, we'd never match up. Besides which, most of the stuff we'd be covering was probably recorded with passive basses anyway, so my sounds work fine for it.

I never need to drop some boom, because I don't have a boomy bass sound unless I'm using the neck pickup, in which case I can just switch pickups. And I don't play funk or reggae, so I'm not sure what that has to do with anything.

Me personally , I set my bass eq to flat at the start of the night. Get the perfect Nass sound for
That room for Me through the amp, leave the amp as it is and spend the rest of the night riding the bass and have an arsenal of tones and sounds at my finger-tips all night.

All I need from the electronics are two sounds. Neck pickup and bridge pickup. Everything else I want, I can do with my hands.

I'm not trying to be a jerk, but you supplied a lot of reasons why you would want an on-board preamp. And that's fine, and given what you like, an active bass is right for you. But that wasn't the question you quoted. The question was why I would want an onboard preamp. And none of the things you talked about really apply to me.

My musical situation and preferences are likely different from yours, as we're different people. The reasons you might like an active bass with an onboard pre might not be (and apparently really aren't) factors for me at all.
 
Sartori said:
I don't think you read the words right before what I said. Here they are again:

"I don't even use tone controls on passive basses"

Think about that. I have two volume controls and two tone controls on my main, and a volume control and a tone control on my backup. Of the controls already available to me, I only use the volume knobs.

That's right, the tone knobs might as well not even be there. As for the volume knobs, I pretty much never actually change where they're set. They may as well be locked into the position that they're in. I don't use what controls I do have. So why would you conclude that I would use additional controls?

The only control I really use with any regularity is the pickup selector switch, for when I want to go between my loud, aggressive sound (bridge pickup), and my quiet, smoother sound (neck pickup). I do this in the middle of many songs, depending on the passage.

I don't need "no end of options." Why would I need a bunch of options that I'm not going to use?

I do write my own songs. But I'm not sure what you mean about wanting the kick to boom. I definitely don't want it to. Pretty much ever. I want a nice, tight thud sound from the kick. I'm not sure what you're talking about with the gap in sound, either.

Look, if I'm playing covers, it's with my folk rock band, and we generally aren't going for sounding identical to the original. If we aimed for that, we'd never match up. Besides which, most of the stuff we'd be covering was probably recorded with passive basses anyway, so my sounds work fine for it.

I never need to drop some boom, because I don't have a boomy bass sound unless I'm using the neck pickup, in which case I can just switch pickups. And I don't play funk or reggae, so I'm not sure what that has to do with anything.

All I need from the electronics are two sounds. Neck pickup and bridge pickup. Everything else I want, I can do with my hands.

I'm not trying to be a jerk, but you supplied a lot of reasons why you would want an on-board preamp. And that's fine, and given what you like, an active bass is right for you. But that wasn't the question you quoted. The question was why I would want an onboard preamp. And none of the things you talked about really apply to me.

My musical situation and preferences are likely different from yours, as we're different people. The reasons you might like an active bass with an onboard pre might not be (and apparently really aren't) factors for me at all.

Good if slightly verbose reply :-)

There is not better or worse here, when you consider all the variables. Just different.

Which is best for metal then? ;-)
 
I have two active basses and three passives. I can't say which are my favorite basses, but I can say that the actives can adjust more easily to a given amp or performance venue without fiddling with the amp or introducing a preamp or pedal into the signal chain. I like being able to control output and EQ from the bass. I like the additional clarity of active and I like being able to get a noiseless single coil sound.

For gigging in less than ideal conditions, actives have advantages. Even so, I have a couple passive that I particularly like--a vintage G&L Lynx (like a sculpted 1st gen. SB-2) and a Gretsch Electromatic G5123B. I especially get compliments from the crowd any time I play the Gretsch because of its organic rhythmic bouncy sound. But I also have to work harder playing it to bring out those sounds.

I never thought I'd embrace active EMG pickups but I just picked up a 1994 Guild Pilot Pro, which has both active EMGs and an active preamp with 2-band EQ. I can make that thing sound like anything I want, from a mellow full P-bass to a snarly slapper. I never have to resort to a stompbox or readjust my amp's EQ (a distraction and momentum-killer) to get the sounds I need for our widely varying repertoire.
 
Passive.

Quiet and the true tone sound from your bass. Simple bass and treble knobs to adjust for variation. Use a foot switch or quick adjust of your amp for more.

Quiet.....I found with some active basses I am competing with the local radio station or something from the space station.

Battery not an issue
 
Sartori said:
I don't think you read the words right before what I said. Here they are again:

"I don't even use tone controls on passive basses"

Think about that. I have two volume controls and two tone controls on my main, and a volume control and a tone control on my backup. Of the controls already available to me, I only use the volume knobs.

That's right, the tone knobs might as well not even be there. As for the volume knobs, I pretty much never actually change where they're set. They may as well be locked into the position that they're in. I don't use what controls I do have. So why would you conclude that I would use additional controls?

The only control I really use with any regularity is the pickup selector switch, for when I want to go between my loud, aggressive sound (bridge pickup), and my quiet, smoother sound (neck pickup). I do this in the middle of many songs, depending on the passage.

I don't need "no end of options." Why would I need a bunch of options that I'm not going to use?

I do write my own songs. But I'm not sure what you mean about wanting the kick to boom. I definitely don't want it to. Pretty much ever. I want a nice, tight thud sound from the kick. I'm not sure what you're talking about with the gap in sound, either.

Look, if I'm playing covers, it's with my folk rock band, and we generally aren't going for sounding identical to the original. If we aimed for that, we'd never match up. Besides which, most of the stuff we'd be covering was probably recorded with passive basses anyway, so my sounds work fine for it.

I never need to drop some boom, because I don't have a boomy bass sound unless I'm using the neck pickup, in which case I can just switch pickups. And I don't play funk or reggae, so I'm not sure what that has to do with anything.

All I need from the electronics are two sounds. Neck pickup and bridge pickup. Everything else I want, I can do with my hands.

I'm not trying to be a jerk, but you supplied a lot of reasons why you would want an on-board preamp. And that's fine, and given what you like, an active bass is right for you. But that wasn't the question you quoted. The question was why I would want an onboard preamp. And none of the things you talked about really apply to me.

My musical situation and preferences are likely different from yours, as we're different people. The reasons you might like an active bass with an onboard pre might not be (and apparently really aren't) factors for me at all.

Sorry if I offended you. I wasn't telling you how to play but I was using your info as springboard to highlight the benefits I find with active. As for the GAP, I merely meant that I can keep playing 8th or 16th notes continuously while reaching and rollin the eq with my pinkie . Probably shouldn't have quote you at all and just made a fresh point. I was highlighting the pros
 
I've always preferred passives to actives.

I never got the idea of an on board EQ on my bass, unless you're running the bass STRAIGHT into the PA.

My biggest peeve of active basses isn't the battery...it's the fact that when you do adjust the EQ on the fly it almost ALWAYS raises or lowers your volume.

Depending on the passive bass you're playing you have plenty of blend/pick up options that you can make almost anything happen tone wise if you get the feel for it. My 4003 has never left me wishing for another tone, same with the rest of the basses I own.
 
Good discussion, guys. (Don't step on each other's toes, though, ok?).

Anyway, at practice last night I was thumping along thinking that the tone I'm getting on my passive is just fine for me. That's what I mean, for me, I'm just not spurred to get anything else. Happy with passive and simple controls. Same way about my Little Mark III amp. I like less controls rather than more.

Just me though.
 
Wow, what a headache!!! It matters only as much as you think it matters. The guy with the deepest groove is going to land the gig and or please the crowd the most. I wish there weren’t so many options these days, then players would have to concentrate on the music.