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"Pro" setup vs DIY setup

Hey guys, need some advice.

I'm kinda the handyman type and like to fix / work on things. I found this guide online and it looks like it is super in depth. http://www.jerzydrozdbasses.com/akcndfr54jdhrei567/Ultimate_Guide_ver100.pdf

I've always done my own setups over the last 5 years and personally feel like the instruments play well enough after I turn the truss, set the action and intonate. But I don't have any experience playing an instrument setup by a professional.

Is it worth it to shell out the cash for a "professional" to setup your bass?

Thank you,
BRUMSHINE
 
With basic handyman skills and the ability to follow directions you should be able to do a setup as good as any pro, even better than some retail store techs I've seen.

Basic setups are to guitars what oil changes and tire rotations are to cars.
 
It depends, I've had "pro"s set up basses and they sucked I didn't go back. I have also had basses set up by guys who really knew what they were doing and they were able to get that little bit extra i just couldn't seem get. i happily pay them and go back once in a wile. all in who you find and if your on the same page with what your looking for.
 
As someone who does a pretty mean setup, who has setup and done fretwork on dozens of guitars and basses over the years: there's nothing like a truly pro setup.

Now granted - the $40 special you get at your local music shop is probably going to be no better than anything you could learn to do yourself, and probably a lot of more "one-sized-fits-all" than something tweaked to your preference. Learn how to adjust relief and action, and how to set intonation, absolutely crucial skills every player should know.

But - there's a specific luthier in town I take my guitars to who is a gat-dang wizard. He has an absolutely phenomenal sense for fretwork and consistently turns mediocre instruments into PERFECT players. Reasonably priced ($75-$90) and it only takes once - I'll handle routine maintenance from that. Totally changed my tune on the matter of setups.
 
a big part of the pro setup is getting the nut slots just right, something you can't do with wrenches and screwdrivers from the hardware store.

it's a detail that makes all the difference in how well the instrument plays, stays in tune and avoids buzz.
 
As someone who does a pretty mean setup, who has setup and done fretwork on dozens of guitars and basses over the years: there's nothing like a truly pro setup.

Now granted - the $40 special you get at your local music shop is probably going to be no better than anything you could learn to do yourself, and probably a lot of more "one-sized-fits-all" than something tweaked to your preference. Learn how to adjust relief and action, and how to set intonation, absolutely crucial skills every player should know.

But - there's a specific luthier in town I take my guitars to who is a gat-dang wizard. He has an absolutely phenomenal sense for fretwork and consistently turns mediocre instruments into PERFECT players. Reasonably priced ($75-$90) and it only takes once - I'll handle routine maintenance from that. Totally changed my tune on the matter of setups.

I wish I knew a luthier like that guy. The guys that I've gone to recently for my 6 string guitar do as little as possible and get away with as much as possible. :scowl:
 
a big part of the pro setup is getting the nut slots just right, something you can't do with wrenches and screwdrivers from the hardware store.

it's a detail that makes all the difference in how well the instrument plays, stays in tune and avoids buzz.

I agree, nut work is key. You can't just lower the string at one end and expect a sweet setup. I take the nut down to where it buzzes when I really dig in, but the buzz doesn't translate to the speaker or ruin sustain.
 
I do my own set ups. Of course, I managed a guitar store for eleven years and was a "pro", so one could say that I do my own pro setups. Only once did I ever get a professional setup. Took my 4-94 to Lakland's shop for some electronics work. They took the whole thing apart, dressed the frets, buffed all the hardware, cleaned everything, put on a new nut, and restrung it. After going all this, Carl gave it to me, watched me play it for a minute, and tweaked it. It wound up exactly how I set it up myself.

Now THAT'S a professional.

Generally, most techs ( and don't call 'em "luthier" unless they actually build instruments) can't do a setup any better than you can learn to do it.

John
 
Interesting premise: A set up performed by a professional technician who has performed the task literally thousands of times cannot possibly “tweak it to personal perfection for you.” The implication is that someone with limited experience and tooling will be able to do a better job than a professional working under ideal conditions because the amateurs are working on their own gear. Try that argument at a local auto repair shop or professional remodeling contractor sometime.

It reminds one of the Marlon Brando line in Apocalypse Now: "The horror...the horror."


By asking, and by watching the person play and listening.

The determining factor in this process is communication. As long as the customer communicates how they want the end their guitar set up the professional tech will be able to produce the desired results. The communication can be verbal or the tech can observe how the owner plays their guitar. In most, if not all cases, the finished product will be superior to the amateur attempt.

So how do these myths get started?

When problems arise they are generally one of several kinds. The first is that the request is not specific. As an example, the customer requests that the action be as low as possible without buzzing. How low is low? What is acceptable buzz? What is expected? Who knows? There is a total breakdown in communication. That leads to the second kind of problem.

This problem arises when the guitar is in need of advanced service. For example, the customer requests that the strings be lowered as above but uneven fret wear prevents this. Many customers will accuse the tech of trying to gouge for extra services because the simply do not understand how a properly manufactured guitar could have uneven frets. Or that the frets on a new and expensive guitar are not even. Or that they have worn the frets and service is needed. Or that frets can be serviced, period.

The third kind of problem occurs when the customer demands that the tech suspend the laws of physics as are observed on this planet. For one example, the customer demands super low action with no buzz of any kind being acceptable, and then strum very hard thereby causing huge string deflection that causes the unacceptable buzz.

There are more situations that arise than this. But that’s another thread for another forum.
 
It isn't rocket science. I had to add a little relief going to a different string brand that was slightly lighter gauge. Also you might play a few days and feel it needs another adjustment. I think it is a must to learn to do this yourself.

Same goes for action and intonation. Intonation is a science with no art to it at all, unless part of your tone is being out of tune. Action is very subjective.
 
I used to rely on Pros, but being a handyman myself, I read, and watched as much material as I could get my hands on. I applied what I saw or read to a cheap bass; with anything, the more you do it the better you get at it. I'm really comfortable with complete "Pro" type setups on my or someone elses bass...

And the article you mention was one of many I saved and read...
 
Learning how to do a setup is not difficult. Nor is it difficult to learn how to play a bass. But to get really good at either you need years of practice and experience.

So, is it worth it to have "pro" setup? Do you want the neighbor's kid to paint your house? He knows how.
 
In my experience having a good "pro-tech" in your contacts is always a good idea. I do my own setups and have been for a long time, but what I have noticed is that places like GC and even some local shops offer "setups" and other services a' la carte. Ususally you come in drop your bass off and 3-5 days later you pick it up and walk out the door. I agree with my fellow TB'ers that a good tech will watch you play and fit the setup to you as an individual. When I was younger I use to use a local guy who would charge my dad a lot of money to "set up" my bass and when I would get it home it played like crap. Strings were to heavy of a guage, action was too high, and the neck would have so much relief that I could have used it as a bow and arrow. Looking back this guy was an old school country player who played AM Gold country from the 50's and 60's and set up all basses according to his specs. Not good for a young wanna be funk guy like myself. So, I would spend the next few days after the setup to actually set it up like I needed it.
 
i see more guitars than i can count where the owner says "yeah, i set it up myself and it came out pretty good" when it's just hideous, with high nut slots, uneven string heights, intonation nowhere near correct, etc.

after getting it right for them, they're blown away by what an actually set-up guitar plays like.

so sometimes even good players don't know better than the tech how comfortably an instrument can play.

+1 to taking the time to play it in front of the tech, so that he can do final tweaking to fit your style.