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Putting my pedals away for a while

Ive never had a pedal board, just a signal chain that I hook up for every rehearsal,gig, jam, etc...I like the freedom to backpack a few or not.
If I feel like taking my EP-1 this time, nice, if I dont then I leave it at home.
This way I have some inspiration,sometimes I look at my pedals and go nahh not feeling it tonight, sometimes its the other way around.
But one thing is for sure I dont feel like I have to bring them all, or design them all around a certain band. Its whatever Im inspired to do at that time and it works well for me.
 
I kinda fit into the middle ground. I've never had a huge board, but still got sick of using lots of pedals at home or for the occasional jam. I try not to say I'm going to give up effects the way I don't ever tell myself I'm going to give up liquor... they'd creep back in slowly and I'd feel guilty for doing it. I'd end up getting carried away when I brought the effects back in, so I find that about 2-3 staples helps fight the urge to over do it.

To me, subtle differences are lost in a mix, or people listening just don't actually care that much. I think that what'll actually get noticed is clean, dirty, swirly, and louder. So, for me its one dirt pedal to stradle the line between OD/distortion, one boost, and right now a compressor because I'm not that good. I'm leaning towards abandoning modulation/filters/etc for a while and only having 2 switches to think about hitting.

...I realized that by just focusing with one bass and one pedal, I was able to come up with all kinds of whacked out tones because I was forced to get creative with less raw material to mess with...

I agree with this idea. Even messing around at home I usually go with 4-5 pedals max and shuffle them around alot to get different arrangements I wouldn't have thought of otherwise. I find that working inside limitations is best for me. I kinda get overwhelmed with the possibilities of a huge board.
 
I've gone back and forth so many times, and it is a pain hauling a big board with the rest of my gear. But my compromise is 2 boards. A fairly big one, with the essentials plus lots of modulation, delay, and filters/octaves, and a small one, with only the essentials. The small one goes out with me, and the bigger one usually stays home.
 
Ya, I went insane for a while with pedals, and abruptly stopped 10 years ago when a pedal went out and I plugged straight in. I'm back using them now but sometimes it's good to chill out.
 
I go back and forth,... some songs in my band call for clean bass, others for a bit of distortion or tremolo on the intro etc,...

so if we focus on songs that dont need effects sometimes I bring the board but never step on a pedal... still doesn't bother me though as I would rather have the option if need be...

my only reasoning for getting more pedals at the moment is I want a second board for doing a drum machine / crazy effects board so I can make my own instrumental loops and then solo over them... have seen a few good guitarists take this route and am keen to explore...
 
I go back and forth,... some songs in my band call for clean bass, others for a bit of distortion or tremolo on the intro etc,...

so if we focus on songs that dont need effects sometimes I bring the board but never step on a pedal... still doesn't bother me though as I would rather have the option if need be...

I've been doing the blues based trio thing for awhile now, and that's where the pedals crept into the picture; I find it a very usable tool to add fill and it hasn't changed in a long time. If another instrument is on stage (harp, keys, 2nd guitar) with us I use no effects at all.

Pedals for me are a tool to use as needed, and and not a GAS thing, so I can take them or leave them as the situation dictates.


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But I definitely disagree with a few of the sentiments that have been expressed by others in here

Me too.

BLECH. I hate this mentality. And who decided who gets to wield the power of deciding what "great tone" is?

One of my favorite things to do after someone earnestly posts that "tone is in the hands" is to check their profile. Often you see MTDs, Sadowskys and thousands of dollars worth of amps. Why "waste" money if tone is all in the hands For that matter, what difference is there in using a VT Bass pedal vs any given preamp? It's a nonsensical argument but more on that in a minute.

Yes, there is a huge array of ways to use your hands to manipulate bass tone: playing lightly vs digging in, palm muting, pick playing, slap, adjusting right hand position. I think all bass players should work on all of those techniques. But your hands can't sound like a flanger, envelope filter, fuzz etc.

Again, I simply disagree. Who says that you can't base your entire playing style and riffs off of effects? Why is that not valid? Look at the quote in my sig.

For that matter, look at John Davis' work with Nerve or some of the stuff we've seen from guys like rnilson or fightthepower. John Davis has said himself that for rock and pop stuff he goes bass-->cable-->amp because that's what's appropriate. But with Jojo the effects really are part of the art.You should use whatever tools it takes to create the music you want to make.

Only if you like the sound of the "basics". I have been finding myself more and more unstimulated by clean, unaffected bass tone recently.

I love the sound of all of my basses clean. Each one sounds great to me for different applications and I never get tired of playing any of them. But I understand where you are coming from.

I just don't like it that people seem to cling to this idea that a clean bass -> amp (or maybe some tube overdrive) is some pure original holy grail of tone that we should all strive for. Maybe I don't want to sound like that.

An electric bass uses magnetic pickups to transform the vibrations of metal strings into electrical signals which are sent to an amplifier which changes those signals based on the EQ settings and the amps inherent voicing before sending them to speakers where magnets respond to the electric signals by moving a cone and causing air to vibrate in response.

There's nothing "natural" or "clean" about it. It's an electric instrument. A P-Bass through an Ampeg is a familiar and classic sound but there's nothing more "organic" about it than any other setup. If people love the tones on the records they grew up listening to and hold them up as the exemplars for what they want their bass to sound like, I totally get that and it's cool. But the idea that it gives license to look down your nose at people looking to do something different or experimental is just dumb and frankly anathema to the concept of being a musician and creating music.

To me, subtle differences are lost in a mix, or people listening just don't actually care that much. I think that what'll actually get noticed is clean, dirty, swirly, and louder.

This is an issue with me as well. There are diminishing returns to trying to create intricate or subtle sounds only to have them swallowed up in the mix at a gig, particularly in a boomy room. For me I think bass effects need to be either always on/on for a whole song or just hit you over the head. As much as I love phasers, I get frustrated that they don't come across as much as I want in the mix.
 
You want organic tone? Try playing bass without owning an amp, with your headstock jammed up against a wall to transfer some of the vibrations closer to your ear. That's what I did back in middle school. Good times!
 
Honestly, I must say I've just skimmed this thread, but I do have a few thoughts on it.

Knowing that I tend to "pendulum" on my board, I decided a while ago to create something that would work as parts, but combine into one awesome whole.

And that's pretty much the way my board has evolved. Sometimes I just wanna plug in the lunchbox, so I do. I have realized that the lunchbox needs to have "more" to it tho. Its nice, but basically just a blended fuzz->hi eq slight rolloff (and the ability to play a constant squeel when Im not physically playing :hmm:) at the moment. Im planning on replacing the SCP with a Submarine whenever the designer edition comes out. Realized that I wanted more tone shaping for my clean signal, especially for when I add the fuzz. I also realized recently that I really want 2 levels of dirt on it. One that will be there, but "disappear" when combined with the other stuff, and another that will add some "extra" clipping when also combined with the other stuff, but also give me some extra flavor when just playing thru the lunchbox stuff.

As for the GT-10B and the fuzzes, both are usable alone together, or one/both with the lunchbox (I just turn off the EQ on the GT-10 for more bass). The guitar/bass parts of the song/interlude in my sig ATM is just the GT-10B, based on the Metal/Powerchord EZTone. None of my other effects are involved.

Basically, I've got a setup that I can use one, two, or all parts of, and it works out great :D
 
You may be too fickle with your tones for this suggestion. To me this story sounds like you are begging for a M13. You can program a bunch of little boards into the one big board, then you just need to call 'em up gig by gig. Would solve all of your problems excepting your tight tone standards. IMO.

It's something I've considered. My concern is that I wasn't all that impressed by the distortion modeler and haven't tried the modulation. The one thing I absolutely don't want to do is buy a big multi and then end up using individual pedals to supplement it since that would defeat the purpose. Also, from my time with the Octavius Squeezer I realized I'm much more of a knob twiddler than a preset guy.

I think effects can work in almost any situation if you use them right. Its up to you to be creative enough to make them fit.

While I think that's true, there's no doubt that certain bands lend themselves better to effects use and since one of my gigs is a tribute act I can't really choose how I use effects. With my dub band on hiatus my only other semi-regular projects aren't as easy to get effects into and I don't want to force it.

You want organic tone? Try playing bass without owning an amp, with your headstock jammed up against a wall to transfer some of the vibrations closer to your ear. That's what I did back in middle school. Good times!

I thought I was the only one that did that, though for me it was freshman year. I only had enough money to buy the bass and had to wait a few months for my birthday to get an amp. There's still marks on the wall at my parent's house from that headstock scraping the wall. Between coming from upright and not having an amp in the beginning I played my electric WAY too hard and occasionally still do when amped up for a gig.

Anyway, I think the main thing for me is that I'm completely schizophonic and will play pretty much any kind of music so I end up building my pedalboards for whatever I'm working on. And since my old band broke up, none of my projects have lasted. I built a whole synth board when my old drummer and I tried to do an electronica thing that didn't work. I was really happy with my "dub" board (even though it failed on me twice at gigs) but with that band on hiatus (for who knows how long) I have pedals collected/set up for a specific purpose that I'm not currently using.

So I'm taking a break for a while and deciding whether or not I keep the pedals I have, sell some (or all) of them off or just build a board of stuff I like and find a way to use it for any band. We'll see.
 
Also, from my time with the Octavius Squeezer I realized I'm much more of a knob twiddler than a preset guy.

To be fair, I'm much more of a preset guy, and even I couldn't deal with the Squeezer. It was a pretty painstaking process to set even one preset on that pedal.

I'm pretty close to selling off most of my collection right now as I haven't played in a long time. School/work/girls taking up too much time :(


But I do miss them =/

You've got a few that I wouldn't mind you selling :)
 
Dude, and I thought I was neurotic about pedals.....;):hiding:

:p

I think the reality is that I'm frustrated at not finding a good, consistent band to play with and my frustration with my gear is an offshoot of that.

I'm pretty close to selling off most of my collection right now as I haven't played in a long time.

Really? That's pretty surprising.