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Double Bass Question for the Talkbass.com owners

#21
Aw, Ed's just pissy because he's got a big greasy ham on the end of each arm and can't play the piano because of it. He calls me "Hillwilliam", I call him "Foghorn". It's all in good fun. Besides, there's no need to worry - one of your moderators is an old country boy from the bluegrass state...if anybody really starts in with the hayseed jokes in earnest, send 'em my way. :)

Seriously, the moderators may or may not read everything that happens on a site like this - I used to, but now's there's just too much. I rely on reported post notifications to tell me when there's moderating to be considered, and I suspect that Damon and Jeremy do too. If you see something that needs action, whether it be a thread that needs to be moved or a troll stirring up the pot, just report the post and we'll take a look.
 
#22
ES1 said:
Its comments that this make it very easy to look elsewhere. Good for you Ed. I had to have someone else type for me too.ES1
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ES1 said:
Only half of ya that posted actually play bluegrass, and it feels like an obligatory act, rather than an actual attempt to provide a place for bluegrass bassist to discuss their genre. Thanks for the effort, but no thanks.
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Well in all seriousness and with all due respect to Paul, whose bar we are in, if you will, you came in with a chip on your shoulder and seemed, in my opinion, to be looking for somebody to dislodge it. My postulate was that it wouldn't take much and, sure enough, all I had to do was sort of flap my newspaper from across the room.

As Admin Pawlie alludes, he started this entity almost as a guestbook kind of thing, back around 95 or 96(?) any of the changes are evolutionary , they exist only because it made more sense to make the change than to keep things the way they were. The break off of the BG side of the board, the Classified sections, Off Topic etc etc etc. These were all driven by the realities of posts that necessitated their creation.

The reason the JAZZ THEORY section of the DB side was created was NOT that Paul decided that it was a good idea, but the volume of posts and threads that could fall under this specific topic umbrella had reached a critical mass. If it took a different amount of time for that to happen with bluegrass bassists, topics etc. that's not a function of PAUL, that's a function of input from YOU and people like YOU.

So I am curious more than anything. Since this forum has been available since at LEAST 1997 (and I really think I was posting at the prior incarnation in 96, cause Jim K hiiped me to it on the now defunct Jazz Central Station and I was there in 95), why is it only NOW that you start posting here?


TEJANO BASS said:
Several people (both here & over at the "other" place) have been PDQ to jump to Ed's defense - "oh, that's just Ed being Ed" . . . Sorry - but, that just doesn't float for me . . . "we" don't know Ed & have no history with his unique sense of humor (?) ; therefore, taken at face value, his comment was at best counter-productive & disrespectful to paul's efforts . . . and . . . at worst offensive as well as reflective of the perceived attitude of superiority by some from other genres here at this site . . . sure didn't make me feel all warm & fuzzy when I first read it & oh, btw, it still doesn't.
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Well again, see above. You come into a bar looking for a fight, you really shouldn't complain when you find one. I'll be happy to put my contributions on this site up against yours post for post, if you want to make the assessment as to what's "counterproductive" and "disrespectful to the site's administrator.
 
#23
Well, ain't this a grand way to start things?

Lest anyone think we moderators are letting Ed "get away" with something, let me hip you to a truth: Ed's been here a loooong time. His contribution to TalkBass, and his TalkBass personality, are an open book -- they are wide open for you to see if you only checked it out. He's a regular, a die-hard, and if this were a real bar there would be a pewter mug on a shelf above the bar with his name engraved on it. Was his comment insulting? Maybe, if you've been around the place 10 minutes or less and have never checked Ed out. If you've been around longer than that and have checked Ed out, you know that there isn't really a problem here. I suggest you get to know him and get some value out of him -- there's plenty there.

Besides, don't you know he's from Georgia or North Carolina or some such kudzu-overrun, grits-eating, southern steampipe? I suspect there's more good 'ol boy in there -- and bluegrass appreciation -- than you might think right off the top, him coming off all New Yorker and jazzy and sophisticated these days.

ES1 -- you have a huge chip on your shoulder and I don't really get it. I thought about your post for maybe 10 minutes last night and discarded a few draft responses. I figured after all it wasn't worth pursuing. Your attitude just doesn't make sense to me. If you took the time to put together a viewpoint I could understand, maybe we can do something about it.
 
#25
Steve Killingsworth said:
Why do I have the feeling Durrl is about to post a picture of a kitten???? Lighten up for Pete's sake!

I am glad to see we do have a dedicated bluegrass forum. I just hope we don't let it wither on the vine like some of the other bluegrass forums I have visited.
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I would appreciate it greatly if somebody could photoshop my head in here.

Dean or Kitten, take your pick.
 
#26
Well Gentlemen,
I play ALOT of Bluegrass here in NYC (of all places ). I am also looking to branch out into the rockabilly and western swing genres. Maybe in the future I'd like to give Dixieland/Jump Blues a whirl. What I don't quite follow is the need for niches. As I get more familiar with one new genre, I find similarities and overtones in others. Skills are the tools that are embedded within us and leads to expressing ourselves. I never ask for a solo. That is not my role in any of the ensembles I play in. I'm a supporting player, holding the thing together, the best I can. Dynamics and Drive are what I bring. The search and aquisition of skills to complement my role in a band or Jam is no different than my approach to life itself. I take All in, churn it around and spew it out. Why else do it if you can't have fun. Helping and encouraging others in the pursuit of their goals is rewarding in itself. Even being a jackass can be fun a times, don't take it so personal.
 
#30
bass4daddy said:
What I don't quite follow is the need for niches.
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Mr. Paul Warburton once said, "I think rather than being concerned about what is jazz, or what isn't, try to use your heart and imagination and forget the genre labels."

And there you are, Dad.

Dad said:
The search and aquisition of skills to complement my role in a band or Jam is no different than my approach to life itself. I take All in, churn it around and spew it out. Why else do it if you can't have fun. Helping and encouraging others in the pursuit of their goals is rewarding in itself. Even being a jackass can be fun a times, don't take it so personal.
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Words to live by. Your kids are lucky, Dad.
 
#31
Well again, see above. You come into a bar looking for a fight, you really shouldn't complain when you find one. I'll be happy to put my contributions on this site up against yours post for post, if you want to make the assessment as to what's "counterproductive" and "disrespectful to the site's administrator.
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Tell ya what, Ed . . . I sure as Hades didn't come here lookin' for a fight . . . & . . . I most sincerely would not want to be in any way considered by anyone as being hypocritically counterproductive to the efforts of the administrator; . . . however, in response to the above quote, I do have but one question: Just what part of "taken at face value" do you not understand? Don't bother - that was rhetorical !

Besides, it would be downright plumb foolish - why, absolutely, no contest at all - especially, what with my being sooo waay outta my league - for an ignorant little ol' "newbie" / beginner / outsider / hick such as myself from small-town,TX to take on such an exalted loooong time iconic BMOC from NYC such as yourself. It's quite obvious that, at least in your eyes, I'm not capable, let alone worthy, of making even so much as an observation, let alone any contribution(s) for your omnipotent consideration here on your rarified domain.

I learned early on to never stay around where ya don't feel welcome; therefore, please, Mr. BMOC, please, just allow me to tuck my tail between my legs and sheepishly slink back from whence I came, never to return . . . AMF !!! ;)
 
#32
I play Folk music, and that requires knowing alot of different genres. Classical, Jazz, Bluegrass, Rockabilly, and that is just the DB side of the coin. I play BG as well. I grew up with a Jazz musician for a father, and know well the snobishness of certain genre types. Dad used to get on me about the 'Hillbilly Music' i was into, but when I started playing, HE was the one encouraging me to get back to the lone acoustic guitar and harmonica music of Bob Dylan, to come up with some creative way to express myself on the bass. I know Ed from several years ago on Activebass.com, and have a ton of respect for him. Over there, years ago we had a saying when he would jibe somebody, and y'all (Yes, I live in GA, transplanted from IN) have just experienced it. - Kung Fuquaed! I know what he posted seems a bit rude, and I don't mean to seem a bit jumping on the defense bandwagon, but you have to take Ed Fuqua with a grain of salt occassionally. Let's move on!
 
#37
Tejano Bass said:
Tell ya what, Ed . . . I sure as Hades didn't come here lookin' for a fight . . . & . . . I most sincerely would not want to be in any way considered by anyone as being hypocritically counterproductive to the efforts of the administrator; . . . however, in response to the above quote, I do have but one question: Just what part of "taken at face value" do you not understand? Don't bother - that was rhetorical !

Besides, it would be downright plumb foolish - why, absolutely, no contest at all - especially, what with my being sooo waay outta my league - for an ignorant little ol' "newbie" / beginner / outsider / hick such as myself from small-town,TX to take on such an exalted loooong time iconic BMOC from NYC such as yourself. It's quite obvious that, at least in your eyes, I'm not capable, let alone worthy, of making even so much as an observation, let alone any contribution(s) for your omnipotent consideration here on your rarified domain.

I learned early on to never stay around where ya don't feel welcome; therefore, please, Mr. BMOC, please, just allow me to tuck my tail between my legs and sheepishly slink back from whence I came, never to return . . . AMF !!! ;)
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First, please forgive me for not being clear, I really should have done a quote so that my attribution was specifically directed. I was referring to the original poster "looking for a fight" (...why wait until now to start up a Doublebass bluegrass niche? Why wasn't one started in 1998? ...No smoke screens please.) The implication being that 1. there was some discrimination in the decision not to "start at the beginning" and 2. unless ES1 told the collective US not to bulls**t him, we would lie through our teeth.

As for the rest, feel free to do what makes you most comfortable.
 
#39
Well f*ck me kids.

Here we have a special Bluegrass Forum for one day and we're already having hissy fits and taking our ball and going home to play.

Sheesh. Ed doesn't suffer fools gladly and he's pretty funny while he's bursting the balloon.

I'm glad he's checking out the bluegrass place. You never know, maybe he'll be Del McCoury's next bass player. :eek:
 

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