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Quitting Mid Gig

Yeah, sounds like it.

Oh i know how that reads and its true.I am easy going and a team player 100% as long as i am treated fair. But if you cross me or try to make a fool out of me etc...watch out.Its not like i go out for problems some asshat has to be stupid enough to start something...its that simple.

I love music but i will say this i dont love alot of the politics and weird , ego drivin weekend warriors who think they can run people and even run them off...no way not here.

There is a right and wrong way to address a problem etc. on stage in front of a crowd or off in the wings between sets is not the time. Finish the set go home and then fight the battle or the problem...not in public! :scowl:
 
There is a right and wrong way to address a problem etc. on stage in front of a crowd or off in the wings between sets is not the time. Finish the set go home and then fight the battle or the problem...not in public! :scowl:

Our singer and drummer stopped playing to argue in front of a small dancing crowd one night- the gig was in a small resturant/tea room (reggae gig). The crowd stopped dancing, and watched (bemused). The guitarist and I looked at each other, helpless, having somehow relinquished the music for the awkwardness of it, obviously annoyed. The petulant pair started again, the band played, the crowd danced. This went on for some time (fortunately the crowd was regular for us and liked us)! We survived the night and got paid by our peeved hostess...

You want an ego that will stop at nothing to have it's own way, irregardless of the circumstances? Try playing with a self-styled, island-bred, small-time, frustrated reggae star.

Unbelievably funny, looking back. Of course that particular relationship is over...
 
Oh i know how that reads and its true.I am easy going and a team player 100% as long as i am treated fair. But if you cross me or try to make a fool out of me etc...watch out.Its not like i go out for problems some asshat has to be stupid enough to start something...its that simple.

I love music but i will say this i dont love alot of the politics and weird , ego drivin weekend warriors who think they can run people and even run them off...no way not here.

There is a right and wrong way to address a problem etc. on stage in front of a crowd or off in the wings between sets is not the time. Finish the set go home and then fight the battle or the problem...not in public! :scowl:

I agree with you mate. Although I know what everyone else is saying about it being un-professional to quit mid-gig, it's also very un-professional to hurl abuse and/or disrespect other members in the band mid-gig. I'm not the kind of person to do that to other people, and therefore don't expect it to be done to me. But if it did, they'd be a bass player short before they knew it.
 
I agree with you mate. Although I know what everyone else is saying about it being un-professional to quit mid-gig, it's also very un-professional to hurl abuse and/or disrespect other members in the band mid-gig. I'm not the kind of person to do that to other people, and therefore don't expect it to be done to me. But if it did, they'd be a bass player short before they knew it.

It's a respectable sentiment, and I agree too- but I'd still wait 'till the end of the night. In the first place, the abuser is obviously suffering the outward symptoms of something worse than any un-founded abuse I can experience from him (all abuse is un-founded). And nothing's uglier in public than a grown man/woman displaying their insecurity!

In the second place, one person's un-professionalism doesn't make place for an added offense. Keep your thing together man! :eyebrow:

I can well afford to show myself man enough to walk untouched through whatever abuse might be hurled my way by such a sufferer! Abuse! Yep. Keep walking. Save your own face. Save it for the end of the night, when you are now free to push it into the offender's... which might be a worthy stop on your way out of his/her life.

Now, if you are physically accosted on-stage, that's different. Isn't it?...

Anyway, if you do it this way then everyone concerned will hear/know you that you had enough depth of skin and self-respect to not be an instant knee-jerk at some insecure petulant hissy-fit, becoming another hapless part of the drama trying to bloom in front of your audience (it's your audience, so don't make it your hissy-fit too!). And of course that, at the end of the night, you had enough self-respect to leave that situation!

What would James Bond do? He's stay cool.

Hey, .02.
 
It's a respectable sentiment, and I agree too- but I'd still wait 'till the end of the night. In the first place, the abuser is obviously suffering the outward symptoms of something worse than any un-founded abuse I can experience from him (all abuse is un-founded). And nothing's uglier in public than a grown man/woman displaying their insecurity!

In the second place, one person's un-professionalism doesn't make place for an added offense. Keep your thing together man! :eyebrow:

I can well afford to show myself man enough to walk untouched through whatever abuse might be hurled my way by such a sufferer! Abuse! Yep. Keep walking. Save your own face. Save it for the end of the night, when you are now free to push it into the offender's... which might be a worthy stop on your way out of his/her life.

Now, if you are physically accosted on-stage, that's different. Isn't it?...

Anyway, if you do it this way then everyone concerned will hear/know you that you had enough depth of skin and self-respect to not be an instant knee-jerk at some insecure petulant hissy-fit, becoming another hapless part of the drama trying to bloom in front of your audience (it's your audience, so don't make it your hissy-fit too!). And of course that, at the end of the night, you had enough self-respect to leave that situation!

What would James Bond do? He's stay cool.

Hey, .02.


Yeah I completely agree with you. I didn't convert my thoughts into words well enough, hehe. I'd definitely wait till after the gig, but I was just trying to say that I give as good as I get, so just because I wouldn't react straight away, doesn't mean I wouldn't react at all ;)
 
I don't know if this counts or not, given all the circumstances:

A couple years ago I answered an ad by a drummer who was trying to put together an oldies rock band, with an eye towards playing car cruise nights and things like that. There was a cattle call audition and while these people (he and a woman I assume was his girlfriend, although she introduced herself as his "producer") were not the most professional, it looked like it might be fun. I was invited to be in the band, and we had several conversations in which he talked a very good game about what he wanted to do, and expressed strong agreement with my desire to try to really capture the feel and arrangements of the original songs---of course it's easy to play every 50s hit written as one 12-bar-in-A medley, but I wanted to aim a little higher than that. Yes, absolutely, right there with me, he says.

After a couple weeks a band was more or less assembled. Now, from early on, this guy had mentioned an open stage at the local VFW hall, which he thought we should play, since he seemed to think gigs might be forthcoming if we did well, and he swore that we could go there and blow everybody away. (Based on some open mics I've been to, that was at least potentially credible.)

Well, we had our first rehearsal with the full band, and it went okay, although some of the other guys didn't seem much like they were very meticulous about the music---and he says that we should play the VFW open stage THAT WEEKEND. I thought that was a little precipitous, but he was very excited, and the other people seemed up for it, so I figured, okay.

We went there, and played, and a couple things immediately became apparent:

1) This, in fact, was the whole goal of the band: for this guy to get up in front of his buddies at the VFW hall and play. Any other gigs would be purely coincidental.

2) His bar for what was an acceptable public performance was so low as to be nonexistent.

3) There was never any prospect of us blowing away everybody at the open stage---while some of the other performers were awful, the main core group of guys were pretty decent musicians who had been playing together at this thing every Friday for years if not decades, and included at least one guy who had been an actual professional rock singer back in the 70s. They had a pretty high overall talent level and they were accustomed to playing together, in stark contrast to our group in both regards.

Mulling all this over subsequently, I concluded that the drummer leading the band was simply delusional and decided I would not continue with his vanity project. But before I told him, he announced a new opportunity, which forestalled my actual quitting:

Ever since the first time I met him I had heard constantly about his son, who was apparently hot stuff out in L.A. doing nouveau rockabilly or something. Well, it turns out the son was going to be in town and would perform with us at the VFW the following week! I was sufficiently intrigued that I decided to stick around for one more show. The practice schedule got screwed up or something---I don't remember exactly what happened, but basically, they sent me some mp3s but we did not get together in person prior to the show.

So I showed up, and the first sign of trouble was, the drummer informed me that he had cleverly (he thought) signed up twice, once under his son's name and once under the name of his "producer". This is, as many of you will know, a gross breach of open stage etiquette---stage hogging. Now, that woman was very nice but could not sing to save her life; the phrase "bovine bellowing" is particularly apt. And she was going to do a whole set of tunes. And she ended up going first. And the arrangements (if you can call them that) that they did were different from the recordings they had sent me. Worst of all, the practice at that open stage was, you got to do three songs; people who did really well were sometimes invited to do another song or two. Well, after three songs, she just launched into a fourth song, despite the fact that the performance up till then had been pretty much a train wreck. And after that, she launched into a fifth song. At that point the host basically kicked her off stage---she was preparing to do a sixth song.

Naturally, they were in no hurry to let us back up on stage again. So after almost two hours of sitting around, it occurred to me that I was not that interested in seeing what the drummer's kid would do, and anyway, I had never rehearsed with them, the songs were simple 50s standards, and I knew that the regular bass player who came every week could hang with them easily, as well as I could. So I packed up and went home.

Does that count as "quitting in the middle of a gig"? I did play the (extended) set I expected to play when I arrived that night. And, would you have done differently? It was probably not professional, but I figured those clowns had forfeited any right to professional respect, and I assure you, the audience did not suffer, or care.
 
Don't do it. It's childish, uncool and totally unprofessional. No matter how much you've been provoked, you can always wait until after the gig.

If you're the kind of person who doesn't care about professionalism, then go ahead: Throw a big public hissy fit. Knock yourself out. But just realize that what you do will catch up to you - sooner or later, one way or another. And your future dream band that might have considered recruiting you will have second thoughts - because now you have a reputation as difficult and high-maintenance.

Think about it... :hmm:

MM

I totally agree with Mystic Mike. I used to tell my band mates, the minute you take someone's money for playing, you're a professional and should act as such. It doesn't matter if it's a local bar band or big time rock star. If you're being paid to do it, you're a professional.

I once had a guy hound me for 6 months to join his band. It was a 4 piece country rock kind of thing. I finally agreed and we rehearsed and they guy set up our first gig. Came the night of the gig, everyone except the guy who wanted me in his band, showed up. Called his house and his wife said that he had joined another band.

I let the bar owner know the situation and we played as a 3 piece for the night. That bar owner spread the word, and that guy couldn't book a gig for several years after that. This in turn led to him not getting into other bands.

It might seem a cute and funny stunt to pull, but things like that have a way of haunting you.

For what it's worth,
Dan
 
I think that you should always finish the gig. However i was in a sticky situation one night years ago with a band that i was in. We all knew each other pretty well and was all good friends. We had all worked very hard and things were starting to look up for us. It was an orginal band and we were actually starting to get clubs to call and pay us pretty well. So we get a call to play a place that we had all wanted to play really bad. The "cool" club ya know. Well we get up there and the singer starts cusing and telling stupid stories. Then starts letting his guitar feedback and still just stands there cusing and acting stupid. Cusing is usally not a problem in a place like that. We were in a bar not church but cusing and just standing and not playing is a problem. He would start a song and then just stop and start yelling " i f***ed up....sorry man...haha...my bad everyone....let me tell you this story. I was mad as hell and the drummer was pissed too. Only the singer and lead guitar thought it was funny. Well the manager came to the stage as we started another song and screemed to get off the stage. I took off my bass and left the stage. The drummer left the stage too. Singer and guitar player keep on going until the manager pulled the plug on them and got security to take them out. I was really embarrassed. The manager told me it was ok. He said that me and the drummer was welcome in his club anytime but the singer and lead guitar player was banned for life. I was still embarrassed. Didnt go back to that club for along time. Still to this day i dont know what happened. I guess the singer and lead guitar player was trying to do some kinda art that i just dont understand. I still see them sometimes. They have been in about 50 bands each. Always starting a side project then quit it because its not artistic enough. I would never play with them again. They will never play with me again because i am not avante garde enough for them. Now i did walk out on them. But the manager of the bar wanted us off. I think i did the right thing. I didnt get thrown out, banned or jailed. They did go around and tell everone that me and the drummer was wimps that run at the first sign of trouble. It didnt damage my rep too much because alot of other muscians around here saw or head about the show. And the manager of the bar even helped me and the drummer find another band. Still after saying all that i still think that you should finish the gig if you can.......as long as you will not be putting yourself in harm to do so. Just being mad at a member or song choice is not a good enough reason to leave mid set.
Just my story and opinion
 
Don't do it. It's childish, uncool and totally unprofessional. No matter how much you've been provoked, you can always wait until after the gig.

If you're the kind of person who doesn't care about professionalism, then go ahead: Throw a big public hissy fit. Knock yourself out. But just realize that what you do will catch up to you - sooner or later, one way or another. And your future dream band that might have considered recruiting you will have second thoughts - because now you have a reputation as difficult and high-maintenance.

Think about it... :hmm:

MM

Makes you wonder how Axl Rose's still going, eh?
 
Hmm. I have to admit that I didn't walk off in the middle of a gig, but I did end one in a very emphatic way once. Here is the story:
I put together a country-rock project several years ago. It was a rocky experience as we couldn't keep a drummer, had lots of drama with female singers, and then some poorly orchestrated personnel changes by a drummer that felt empowered by his bringing a pedal-steel player into the group. Once we got a relatively stable group going, things seemed to get better. Then came the first gig. The guitar player books a gig at a Mediterranean restaurant in Hayward. I immediately pointed out that we did not have enough material prepared and that we were not that tight on what we did have. I was ignored.

The gig. Having the only PA and the only truck to haul it, I made it very clear that I fully expected the rest of the band to make themselves available for load-in and load out. The only member who showed up was the female singer, and she was incapable of lifting any of the gear. So I loaded it myself. I'm already pissed. I sent the singer on ahead. I have a large truck, but it was packed with the PA and my bass gear. I couldn't see out the back and the load was shifting as I drove down a very busy 580. I arrive to find that everyone was already there, had set up their gear, left me no room for any of my gear or me, and are getting hammered. I get minimal help unloading and setting up. I asked the guitarist why he didn't show up for load-up (he only lived a few miles away from my house). He hemmed and hawed a vague answer. Turns out he was in a local bar starting his day at 10:00AM. He claimed he was drumming up people to come see us. Uh, huh. I get the entire PA set up and dialed in (all the while listening to everyone whine about the sound, the volume, and the weather). We take about forty-five minutes before starting. The entire band, except me, suddenly gets "stage fright" and rushes to the bar to drown their butterflies in alcohol. They are all hammered before we play a note. We plow through the first set like it's a race. Way too fast and sloppy. The second set is a little better. The problem is that we run through all of our material in about an hour. We end the last song and kind of stand their looking at each other and the small crowd. Then, the drunks start an on-stage bickering match about what songs we are going to play for the second time. I've had it by then. We play one song AGAIN (it's actually worse the second time) and I decide that we are done. When the song was over, I shut off my amp, parked my bass, and shut off the PA. I pack up, go home, and quit the band (actually, they fired me).

I do regret that hissy fit, and it may have some bearing on my inability to get work with one of the local country groups (the pedal-steel player plays for them). It was unprofessional, but how professional was everybody else?
 
Folmeister,

Your situation was different than the original post. If I understood it correctly, the original poster has an issue with other members of the band and thought it would be cute to quit mid show. There wasn't any mention of things going wrong or bickering on stage, just "this is my last song with these #%@@".

Given your situation, I would never have set up in the first place. If they didn't want to help, the stuff would have stayed in the truck.

We had a guitar player that started "being busy" when it came time to unload/load equipment. This went on for about a month. The other 3 members of the band told him he was out of the band. The guy literally broke down in tears...he loved playing with us. From then on, he pulled his own weight.

Nothing gets me more pissed than playing with someone that is drunk on their ass. In your case, your band mates got what they deserved...the show was over before it started.

For what it's worth,
Dan
 
I quit half through way my old bands set during, what wound up being, our last performance ever. Although everybody quit during that show because the police came in and kept telling us to turn it down. It got to the point where my single 10 inch peavey combo practice amp in my room was louder than my ampeg svt810e with a svt4pro head. Every time we started playing they came and said turn it down. So we'd start again, and they say turn it down even more. Finally, I just said ***k it and walked off stage.
 
I had it happen to me once. One of the guitarists, in the middle of a song, turned around, took of his guitar, turned off his amp, and walked off stage, mumbling something about "I can't play this stuff." He sat in the bar and sulked for the next two and a half sets.

We were way too nice to him. We gave him a ride home. It was an out-of-town gig and we'd all ridden down in the van together. Gotta say it was tense all the way home that night. Never trusted him again.

jte
 
One of the guitarists, in the middle of a song, turned around, took of his guitar, turned off his amp, and walked off stage, mumbling something about "I can't play this stuff." He sat in the bar and sulked for the next two and a half sets.


Now that's just wrong. He knew what the material was before he got onstage. What an a-hole.
 
I think that you should always finish the gig. However i was in a sticky situation one night years ago with a band that i was in. We all knew each other pretty well and was all good friends. We had all worked very hard and things were starting to look up for us. It was an orginal band and we were actually starting to get clubs to call and pay us pretty well. So we get a call to play a place that we had all wanted to play really bad. The "cool" club ya know. Well we get up there and the singer starts cusing and telling stupid stories. Then starts letting his guitar feedback and still just stands there cusing and acting stupid. Cusing is usally not a problem in a place like that. We were in a bar not church but cusing and just standing and not playing is a problem. He would start a song and then just stop and start yelling " i f***ed up....sorry man...haha...my bad everyone....let me tell you this story. I was mad as hell and the drummer was pissed too. Only the singer and lead guitar thought it was funny. Well the manager came to the stage as we started another song and screemed to get off the stage. I took off my bass and left the stage. The drummer left the stage too. Singer and guitar player keep on going until the manager pulled the plug on them and got security to take them out. I was really embarrassed. The manager told me it was ok. He said that me and the drummer was welcome in his club anytime but the singer and lead guitar player was banned for life. I was still embarrassed. Didnt go back to that club for along time. Still to this day i dont know what happened. I guess the singer and lead guitar player was trying to do some kinda art that i just dont understand. I still see them sometimes. They have been in about 50 bands each. Always starting a side project then quit it because its not artistic enough. I would never play with them again. They will never play with me again because i am not avante garde enough for them. Now i did walk out on them. But the manager of the bar wanted us off. I think i did the right thing. I didnt get thrown out, banned or jailed. They did go around and tell everone that me and the drummer was wimps that run at the first sign of trouble. It didnt damage my rep too much because alot of other muscians around here saw or head about the show. And the manager of the bar even helped me and the drummer find another band. Still after saying all that i still think that you should finish the gig if you can.......as long as you will not be putting yourself in harm to do so. Just being mad at a member or song choice is not a good enough reason to leave mid set.
Just my story and opinion

You and the drummer did the correct and professional thing. Your singer and guitarist behaved badly. The management asked you to leave the stage, and you and the drummer behaved correctly. You showed poise and a professional attitude, in contrast to the immaturity of your singer.

If the singer and guitarist believe that cursing while creating guitar feedback and being insulting is "avante garde" or "artistic", honey, those boys need to go back to school!!! They clearly have no concept of "art".

People will remember this thing, you know. Other musicians saw how they behaved, and how you behaved. They're not going to want to work with immature jerks like the singer, but they'll sure want to work with you! :)

Cherie :bassist: