Racial Microagressions

[fmoore200]

Yeah this thread hasn't been serious for about 100 posts now

 

[BawanaRik]

I've never tried it. And I work out there from time to time. I heard there is a foodie scene in Flushing, nothing like Brooklyn, but pretty good.

Any recommendations?

You might enjoy it.

What's happen in NJ is while once I had to go to NYC to get food a thriving scene has developed in my backyard.

I seem it recall it being the Major Decan that was like a race track. Fun driving there.

 

[BawanaRik]

Haven't been following this thread, so I don't know what the current arguments are about... but I just caught this...

For Phil, here's some more of your "hyped up story" happening [Invalid or Expired Link Removed]

This is about a quarter mile from my house, where I shop often, and go for taco bell every week. And I usually wait outside in the car while my wife goes in.

Looters should be stopped instantly. The individual attacking that guard was hopefully jailed for her hate crime.

 

[1958Bassman]

Haven't been following this thread, so I don't know what the current arguments are about... but I just caught this...

For Phil, here's some more of your "hyped up story" happening [Invalid or Expired Link Removed]

This is about a quarter mile from my house, where I shop often, and go for taco bell every week. And I usually wait outside in the car while my wife goes in.

That has happened in the Milwaukee area a few times and from the tweets/FB posts, it WAS supposed to shake up certain people.

 

[nortonrider]

it WAS supposed to shake up certain people.

what certain people would that be?

 

[1958Bassman]

what certain people would that be?

The kids who were caught said they wanted to make the White folk nervous. It worked. They did a lot of damage, too. They thought it was funny and that the insurance companies would pay for the damage- I wonder how that worked out for them.

 

[BawanaRik]

The kids who were caught said they wanted to make the White folk nervous. It worked. They did a lot of damage, too. They thought it was funny and that the insurance companies would pay for the damage- I wonder how that worked out for them.

Hopefully not well. Racism and terrorism. This is a bad combination.

 

[kohntarkosz]

The kids who were caught said they wanted to make the White folk nervous. It worked.

I doubt they were the first to make white folk nervous somehow. I think white folk have been nervous for a long time, in regards to the thorny issue of race...

 

[1958Bassman]

Hopefully not well. Racism and terrorism. This is a bad combination.

I think far too many people have lost the ability to be civil, as a way of life. Anger can be dealt with and managed but when someone acts on that anger in any way, it never goes well although it may be in reaction to an attack, so it's possible to end the attack. Still, being the first to act often means it won't end there. There has been no retaliation to any of these flash mobs here, and I doubt there will be. People from the suburbs just wouldn't go into the city for something like that and people leave the city to get away from the BS all the time- it's not improving and it doesn't seem likely that it will, anytime soon.

The MKE government is out of touch and doesn't really understand why people are doing these things. In a statement about a Dec 20, 2013 shooting, the Mayor said "I have no idea how a convicted felon would get a gun". Makes it kind of hard to stop that particular problem, eh?

 

[1958Bassman]

I doubt they were the first to make white folk nervous somehow. I think white folk have been nervous for a long time, in regards to the thorny issue of race...

The man who lived two houses to the North of where I grew up had a men's clothing store. Milwaukee had rioting in '68, just like many other US cities, and his store was 3 doors South of "ground zero" for the rioting. It was looted and burned- he lost all of his inventory. His business served that community almost exclusively, yet they burned him out with the others. I don't remember hearing him talk about it after it happened, he never re-opened it and when the damaged store was demolished, nothing replaced it. The two stores on either side were rebuilt, but a gap between them is a reminder to anyone who remembers that his store was there.

When the rioting started, MKE imposed a curfew and streets were blocked off where the surrounding suburbs met the city. That year is also when I remember seeing and hearing about the beginning of property losses in our area. My friend's dad was a cop and I don't remember him talking about that before '68 and our families spent a lot of time together.

I think guilty conscience makes people nervous but experience and the news make people wary, or scared. Teaching makes people hate- it may might not be lifelong teaching, but planting the seeds at an early age, coupled with seeing what is happening makes it grow. Why the majority of a group doesn't self-correct when a small percentage causes trouble, I don't know. The perception on the outside is that they want the police to do it- whenever a shooting happens, the family, friends and neighbors are wailing and crying, saying that something needs to be done to stop it yet, when the police ask for help and information, nobody saw anything. It's the old "snitches get stitches" problem.

Regardless, the problem won't fix itself.

 

[Vintagefiend]

Come back and tell us how well that works after you have been the victim of a series of crimes, committed by people of one ethnic group. Tell us how you would explain why you're starting to watch anyone from that group as they walk behind you, near your car or house or put one hand in their pocket as they walk toward you.

Imagine this- you're in 5th grade and you have ridden your new bike to school for the first time. You paid with your own money from doing odd jobs and a measly 50 cent/week allowance. You see that the lock is hanging from the bar behind the seat as he rides away.

You're 16 and you go into a grocery store for a drink of water, only a few feet around the corner from the front door. You walk out and see someone riding away on your bike- the replacement for your second bike to be stolen. You chase the guy, who's riding with his friends back to, as it turned out, their inner-city neighborhood. That same family apparently likes your neighborhood so much, they leave their inner city place and move in. While they're in that house, they trash it almost immediately. They have a disabled van sitting on the driveway with people living in it. This is the suburbs, but even this wouldn't be allowed in the inner city. The house is crumbling. Their daughters get pregnant and their son, the one you chased when he stole your bike, gets someone pregnant and they raise the kid at this house. When this kid is in 4th grade, he pulls a knife on his teacher. She quits immediately because she only lives a block away.

You move out of your parents' house and get a place with friends, where your car is vandalized. Houses and cars in the area are broken into on a regular basis. You later move to another place that's not far away and your car is broken into by breaking a door window, the dash is badly damaged while they steal the stereo and they steal a toolbox that you need for your job. In another part of town, the same car is stolen and found in a vacant lot, stripped. Two cars later, you go home on Christmas Eve and hang out with your friends. 45 minutes later, there's a knock on the door, where a cop is there to tell you that they have recovered your car that had been stolen almost immediately after you got home in the inner city.

You're awakened one night by a thump and the sound of breaking glass (light sleeper). You look out the closed windows, seeing nothing. Then, you open one and look at the area between your house and the one next door, seeing someone crouching in the dark.

You go home from work and while you're getting ready to go out that evening, you hear that your neighbor, who lives across the alley, has been shot six times when someone attempted to rob the gas station/convenience store where he was in line. He's a cop and he shoots the would-be robber, killing him.

Through the years, you have worked in a mall, where you have seen and apprehended many people of one specific ethnic group who had stolen a lot of items from a variety of stores, including the one where you work.

All of these incidents were committed by people from one ethnic group. You saw several of the events happen, saw the police reports from the others.

Tell me that this won't skew your opinion of this group.

BTW- the neighbor who was a cop lived and I still see him, occasionally. I would like to have him as a neighbor again. My neighbor from across the street at the same house now lives pretty close to where I live and I don't see him as often as I would like. Both are from an ethnic group that's different from my own and none of us care about that.

A person can have all the self-respect in the World and if they have experienced enough crap from a particular group, they're not going to have a lot of love for that group. People are reactive and when they, or someone they know, are victimized, remaining unbiased is unlikely.

you from Jefferson City MO??

 

[DerHoggz]

The man who lived two houses to the North of where I grew up had a men's clothing store. Milwaukee had rioting in '68, just like many other US cities, and his store was 3 doors South of "ground zero" for the rioting. It was looted and burned- he lost all of his inventory. His business served that community almost exclusively, yet they burned him out with the others. I don't remember hearing him talk about it after it happened, he never re-opened it and when the damaged store was demolished, nothing replaced it. The two stores on either side were rebuilt, but a gap between them is a reminder to anyone who remembers that his store was there.

When the rioting started, MKE imposed a curfew and streets were blocked off where the surrounding suburbs met the city. That year is also when I remember seeing and hearing about the beginning of property losses in our area. My friend's dad was a cop and I don't remember him talking about that before '68 and our families spent a lot of time together.

I think guilty conscience makes people nervous but experience and the news make people wary, or scared. Teaching makes people hate- it may might not be lifelong teaching, but planting the seeds at an early age, coupled with seeing what is happening makes it grow. Why the majority of a group doesn't self-correct when a small percentage causes trouble, I don't know. The perception on the outside is that they want the police to do it- whenever a shooting happens, the family, friends and neighbors are wailing and crying, saying that something needs to be done to stop it yet, when the police ask for help and information, nobody saw anything. It's the old "snitches get stitches" problem.

Regardless, the problem won't fix itself.

Is it your duty to "self-correct" for every white person that causes trouble?

 

[BawanaRik]

I think far too many people have lost the ability to be civil, as a way of life. Anger can be dealt with and managed but when someone acts on that anger in any way, it never goes well although it may be in reaction to an attack, so it's possible to end the attack. Still, being the first to act often means it won't end there. There has been no retaliation to any of these flash mobs here, and I doubt there will be. People from the suburbs just wouldn't go into the city for something like that and people leave the city to get away from the BS all the time- it's not improving and it doesn't seem likely that it will, anytime soon.

The MKE government is out of touch and doesn't really understand why people are doing these things. In a statement about a Dec 20, 2013 shooting, the Mayor said "I have no idea how a convicted felon would get a gun". Makes it kind of hard to stop that particular problem, eh?

As you point out people from the burbs stop going to the city. That leads to businesses dying. Which leads to the city dying and becoming a parasite on the rest of humanity.

Nipping this in the bud is essential.

 

[BawanaRik]

The man who lived two houses to the North of where I grew up had a men's clothing store. Milwaukee had rioting in '68, just like many other US cities, and his store was 3 doors South of "ground zero" for the rioting. It was looted and burned- he lost all of his inventory. His business served that community almost exclusively, yet they burned him out with the others. I don't remember hearing him talk about it after it happened, he never re-opened it and when the damaged store was demolished, nothing replaced it. The two stores on either side were rebuilt, but a gap between them is a reminder to anyone who remembers that his store was there.

When the rioting started, MKE imposed a curfew and streets were blocked off where the surrounding suburbs met the city. That year is also when I remember seeing and hearing about the beginning of property losses in our area. My friend's dad was a cop and I don't remember him talking about that before '68 and our families spent a lot of time together.

I think guilty conscience makes people nervous but experience and the news make people wary, or scared. Teaching makes people hate- it may might not be lifelong teaching, but planting the seeds at an early age, coupled with seeing what is happening makes it grow. Why the majority of a group doesn't self-correct when a small percentage causes trouble, I don't know. The perception on the outside is that they want the police to do it- whenever a shooting happens, the family, friends and neighbors are wailing and crying, saying that something needs to be done to stop it yet, when the police ask for help and information, nobody saw anything. It's the old "snitches get stitches" problem.

Regardless, the problem won't fix itself.

If forced to the problem might fix itself.

Removing all outside support and supplying essentials such as utilities, water and sewer on a pre paid cash basis while sealing the area to anyone leaving would allow people time to think about just what they want to do with their lives.

 

[BawanaRik]

I doubt they were the first to make white folk nervous somehow. I think white folk have been nervous for a long time, in regards to the thorny issue of race...

Considering how many Persons of European American Heritage are murdered every year I feel more than enough has been done to "make white folk nervous".

It's long past time to stop and act civilized.

 

[DerHoggz]

As you point out people from the burbs stop going to the city. That leads to businesses dying. Which leads to the city dying and becoming a parasite on the rest of humanity.

Nipping this in the bud is essential.

Yes, creating a culture of oppression against a large group of people should not be allowed. Sometimes violence in the face of oppression is celebrated, as with the American Revolution. You could say that the founding fathers got their liberation by any means necessary.

 

[DerHoggz]

If forced to the problem might fix itself.

Removing all outside support and supplying essentials such as utilities, water and sewer on a pre paid cash basis while sealing the area to anyone leaving would allow people time to think about just what they want to do with their lives.

Then you could truly call them ghettos.

 

[BawanaRik]

Come back and tell us how well that works after you have been the victim of a series of crimes, committed by people of one ethnic group. Tell us how you would explain why you're starting to watch anyone from that group as they walk behind you, near your car or house or put one hand in their pocket as they walk toward you.

Imagine this- you're in 5th grade and you have ridden your new bike to school for the first time. You paid with your own money from doing odd jobs and a measly 50 cent/week allowance. You see that the lock is hanging from the bar behind the seat as he rides away.

You're 16 and you go into a grocery store for a drink of water, only a few feet around the corner from the front door. You walk out and see someone riding away on your bike- the replacement for your second bike to be stolen. You chase the guy, who's riding with his friends back to, as it turned out, their inner-city neighborhood. That same family apparently likes your neighborhood so much, they leave their inner city place and move in. While they're in that house, they trash it almost immediately. They have a disabled van sitting on the driveway with people living in it. This is the suburbs, but even this wouldn't be allowed in the inner city. The house is crumbling. Their daughters get pregnant and their son, the one you chased when he stole your bike, gets someone pregnant and they raise the kid at this house. When this kid is in 4th grade, he pulls a knife on his teacher. She quits immediately because she only lives a block away.

You move out of your parents' house and get a place with friends, where your car is vandalized. Houses and cars in the area are broken into on a regular basis. You later move to another place that's not far away and your car is broken into by breaking a door window, the dash is badly damaged while they steal the stereo and they steal a toolbox that you need for your job. In another part of town, the same car is stolen and found in a vacant lot, stripped. Two cars later, you go home on Christmas Eve and hang out with your friends. 45 minutes later, there's a knock on the door, where a cop is there to tell you that they have recovered your car that had been stolen almost immediately after you got home in the inner city.

You're awakened one night by a thump and the sound of breaking glass (light sleeper). You look out the closed windows, seeing nothing. Then, you open one and look at the area between your house and the one next door, seeing someone crouching in the dark.

You go home from work and while you're getting ready to go out that evening, you hear that your neighbor, who lives across the alley, has been shot six times when someone attempted to rob the gas station/convenience store where he was in line. He's a cop and he shoots the would-be robber, killing him.

Through the years, you have worked in a mall, where you have seen and apprehended many people of one specific ethnic group who had stolen a lot of items from a variety of stores, including the one where you work.

All of these incidents were committed by people from one ethnic group. You saw several of the events happen, saw the police reports from the others.

Tell me that this won't skew your opinion of this group.

BTW- the neighbor who was a cop lived and I still see him, occasionally. I would like to have him as a neighbor again. My neighbor from across the street at the same house now lives pretty close to where I live and I don't see him as often as I would like. Both are from an ethnic group that's different from my own and none of us care about that.

A person can have all the self-respect in the World and if they have experienced enough crap from a particular group, they're not going to have a lot of love for that group. People are reactive and when they, or someone they know, are victimized, remaining unbiased is unlikely.

This might be a small sample. You should back it up by reading the newspaper of the FBI crime stats. Just to ensure they back you up.

 

[DerHoggz]

Considering how many Persons of European American Heritage are murdered every year I feel more than enough has been done to "make white folk nervous".

It's long past time to stop and act civilized.

http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/bvvc.pdf

"In 2005 most homicides involving one victim and one offender were intraracial. About ... 85% of white victims in single victim and single offender homicides were murdered by someone of their race."

 

[Vintagefiend]

Is it your duty to "self-correct" for every white person that causes trouble?

No, but if the white people in question do not adhere to certain standards of behavior, they won't be in my life.

See, I hold all people to the same standards I hold myself to, regardless of race. And i judge people on their behavior. I do. I also do not co-sign to dysfunction or other people's ignorant ********. but blacks will make excuses for other blacks...just BECAUSE they're black. It's true- R. Kelly, OJ, Micheal Jackson, etc. I had a black classmate tell me that the Rodney Kings riots were 'justified because of racism'. Wait, WHAT??

No. There is no justification.

i told him that, used the example of myself, as an American Indian, and the fact that, you see black families out to eat each night in restaurants across America, but (unless you're at a casino, or are in Tehachipi, NM) you almost NEVER see a family of Indians out and about.

This is America, on the cusp of 2014 - the only oppression we truly face would be the oppressive force of a One-World government that continuously oversteps its bounds, and the limitations we place on ourselves, both as a society and personally. there is no such thing as 'racism', it's a social construct designed to keep people divided and not working together.